I'm begining to think theres actually two batches of these hoods. Remember that my car was shown at SEMA. I'm sure Seibon tested my hood before giving it to me or else they would actually look bad when people see how it fits. It seems that my experience is more of the exception rather than the rule with the fitment issues.

 

The initial that came in just before SEMA only went to sponsored cars.

The first official batch available for retail sales were made available about a month or so ago, and that's where many of the problems stem from.

Not everyone has had an issue, but many of us have. Not impossible or even difficult to fix either, more of just trial and error, and alot of patience.

 

I'm not out to call any one a liar, but when MrDuck questioned Wicked's business practices. . . I wanted to just bring to the table what he told me about something. . .

He was interested in trading me the TS hood he has in stock for my 2004 Xenon HID Black Housings I have on the market. We got in a discussion that he said he can get 2004 Nissan 350Z XENON housings for 500.00/pair because he can buy direct via: Wholesale.

I don't know about anyone else. . . but I've talkd to ALOT of vendors and nobody can get the XENON Housings for this low of a price. Ask Jason @ Performance Nissan.

This was just something that really questioned how Wicked does business. He wanted to trade evenly for my Housings for the TS Hood (Keep in mind the TS Hood is around 750.00 and my housings go well over 1,000) and he said he decided not to do it becuase the TS Hood isn't worth the trade now. . .and the TS Hood is more expensive than the other Seibon Hoods. I don't know what to believe at this point with Wicked. I'm not calling him a liar. . . just made me really skeptical on business.

Just my .02 : Not out to start any arguments. . . just stating our conversation.

Respectfully,
Chris

 

I wasnt aware of that. I guess thats why I dont have the problems that most of you guys are having Hopefully they fix this problem soon because I think its one of the best hoods for the Z out there.

 

mcduck:Hmm... I don't recall seeing a post where Adam calls you a liar Wicked... you are being awful defensive suddenly.

No one ever said your hood doesn't fit, just that most of these Siebon hood don't fit perfectly. The fact that you would claim a no problem install based on your one hood when there are many more accounts of hoods with fitment issues makes me question your business practices.


I guess nobody read what I stated above, let me re quote myself Webiteks posted if we were going to GURANTEE the fitment, I said YES!! I posted read above "That's right!! Their wont be an issue because it was test fitted, we take extra steps before getting in trouble We tested on our project 350z... Fits perfect! We took the TS hood out of the box and fit just like the current one I have on my car to double check, how foolish would I be to say GURANTEED!! in front of a message forum viewed by thousands of people? He could of easily called me out and made me look like an idiot, as a matter a fact I can name over 10 people that have dealt with me locally and out of state and can vouch for me. I wouldn't GURANTEE a hood if I knew you would have problems specially publically tested on our project car fit perfect OEM!

Z1 Performance:Wicked - not to be rude, but you eventually will eat your words on this one...the hoods, simply fit, do not all fit the same. There were not 2 batches, there were 1. In fact, the hood I have on my car was among the first shipped out to anyone in the states, and mine simply did not fit.
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That's like telling at fat person, not to be mean but your fat.. Your telling me im going to eat my words? that's not being rude? Your calling me out? You didn't say you will probably you said "YOU WILL" Meaning your 100% certain which makes me a liar that the hood will fit NO PROBLEMS!?

Z1 Performance:I don't thin I am being rude. I have no doubt that YOUR hood fit - was just making a point that not all of them are the case, hence why they are not even being sold anymore right now, and why they are looking into the fitment issues.


Not only does my hood fit, but the one we were trying to sell SOLD NOW to a guy in Canada can't wait to hear from him... Their not being sold anymore because we bought them all or I should say most of them. 75% which were not many to begin with.

I am not calling you a liar at all - read my post more carefully. All I am saying is that not all of the hoods fit the same why, and Seibon is fully aware of this. There is thread that i started with multiple people who all got the TS hood (I cannot comment on the other styles as this is the only one I have seen firsthand.


I did read your post carefully, I know you didn't directly call me a liar, but your questioning what I am selling not believing that it is 100% flawless which is in a nice way calling me a liar. Which seen by how many people have had problems its understandable to believe they are all defective, but thats not the case. Another member here has a VS hood fit so perfect anyone in the so cali who went to the meet saw his red car fit better than mine! I was amazed I could not belive it lined up 100% perfect he is not using hoodpins or anything, he told me he used 100% honda bolts and thats it, anyone in the Scali region who saw it can see it so you see, you can't assume its all bad. I learned that the hardway, I dont assume anymore just to say out of the 30 hoods that came all 25 were good but 5 were bad? It works both ways...

Webiteks: I'm not out to call any one a liar, but when MrDuck questioned Wicked's business practices. . . I wanted to just bring to the table what he told me about something. . .

He was interested in trading me the TS hood he has in stock for my 2004 Xenon HID Black Housings I have on the market. We got in a discussion that he said he can get 2004 Nissan 350Z XENON housings for 500.00/pair because he can buy direct via: Wholesale.

I don't know about anyone else. . . but I've talkd to ALOT of vendors and nobody can get the XENON Housings for this low of a price. Ask Jason @ Performance Nissan.

This was just something that really questioned how Wicked does business. He wanted to trade evenly for my Housings for the TS Hood (Keep in mind the TS Hood is around 750.00 and my housings go well over 1,000) and he said he decided not to do it becuase the TS Hood isn't worth the trade now. . .and the TS Hood is more expensive than the other Seibon Hoods. I don't know what to believe at this point with Wicked. I'm not calling him a liar. . . just made me really skeptical on business.

Just my .02 : Not out to start any arguments. . . just stating our conversation.

Respectfully,
Chris

I don't know about anyone else. . . but I've talkd to ALOT of vendors and nobody can get the XENON Housings for this low of a price. Ask Jason @ Performance Nissan.
Please understand you are "retail" and prices we see will never be available to the public, Do you know how much your car cost to manufacture? Take a wild guess, everything cost about 8K I know this because one of my friends dad works for the manufacturing plant and want to know the sic part about it? the workers get to buy 1 car at cost!! So im sure if someone came up to you and said I can get a brand new track model 350z for 15K you wouldn't believe it. Same goes with manufacturing and parts. Its who you know, if that was the case why didn't I trade with you? or why dont you sell your headlights for $1,000 and buy the hood for $750.00 + Shipping and you will still have money left over? Makes no sense if I felt like I was going to score? Remember in manufacturing everything is based off a mold, just like wheels you think 19" wheels cost that much more than 15" Im sure wheel manufactures will agree that cost doesn't jump as high as the retail is willing to pay, this is all based off suply and demand. Oh and just so you know, im not trying to start anything with performance nissan or any other vendor here but I highly doubt performance nissan is bringing in 1-2 containers of products on a WEEKLY BASIS. When you buy mass volume you will see a MAJOR price discount.

Well, no point in arguing now cause the hood was sold to a customer in Canada so im sure he will be happy...

 

Wicked4u- this is Jason from houston. You might remember me from when i ordered the VS style from you about a month ago. I was very disapointed on the VS fitment. I even asked if the hood fit good and you assured me it did. I asked if the was a way to allow the hood to close properly and you suggested to raise the hood latch. Well to make a long story short i no longer have the hood on the car and cant even get rid of it. If you knew that sebion was remaking the VS style due to fitment reasons why did you sell the product to me. I am new at this import scene so some things will take some time to get used to but unfortunately I waited to long to try and return the hood. You are a nice guy and you did try to help but 750.00 is a lot of money to spend as a 21 year old. I just wish you could have told me about the fitment issues.

 

Hmmm... I was actually giving Wicked a little benefit of the doubt before, but this statement tells me he is, indeed, full of BS. If a 350Z costs only $8000 to build, I'll eat my own droppings. I'd guestimate the labor cost alone is close to that price. There are too many car companies out there operating for a single one (let alone a single one that was in financial trouble just a few short years ago) to get away with a 300% markup over production costs.

BTW, I work for the Federal Reserve Bank... I guess that means I can just walk out with a batch of new money whenever we get some, right?

I read it and took it about as seriously as any other guarantee I see posted on a web forum. Let's see you offer up a guarantee, in writing, on your company letterhead, with your signature at the bottom to those who buy the hood promising 100% perfect fitment with no issues.... you won't. You know why? Because you'd be getting most of the hood returned to you because they are not perfect.

Getting back on topic, I reiterate to those interested... the TS hood looks great once it's on. If you like the look that much, get one. Just expect to have to work with it a little for it to fit properly. Maybe when Seibon goes back into production they will have the fitment issues all addressed and everyone will benefit from the feedback Z1, I, and others have given them on the initial batch.

As for anything else, it is clear where my business will go in the future for stuff like this. One business has been honest with me from the start regarding my purchase. Another has tried to "gloss over" the obvious shortcomings of the Seibon hoods to try to make some sales.

 

I checked the history on your order, as we all have sales history and I NEVER took your order? You spoke to another sales rep not me, so please don't tell me that "I TOLD YOU" because I didn't. I looked at the history when you bought your hood and you were one of the first ones that bought the hood when nobody knew their was an issue. I have dates here to prove it that the hood was sold before any issues were addressed, and I remember speaking to you on the phone when you had a problem with the hood but I never took your initial order and told you otherwise. Loco why don't you E-mail me what your problem is on the hood because it seems like some hoods have different problems, Like I said earlier a local friend of mine has a VS hood that fits like OEM 100% so let me know what the problem is and I will discuss it so we can take care of the situation.

 

That's fine, im not here to convince you what manufactures pay or the cost of building car's are actually its not going to prove anything just remember all the cars that manufacture giveaway for movies, promotional,educational just so you know sometimes when they first make the cars ussually the first bath may have issues specially if its a whole new production car. If a manufacture can't make that much money they would be completely out of business.. Do you know how many cars get returned due to lemon law? Do you know how many cars get warranty issues? Do you know how many cars get donated to schools for techs to learn about them? Your talking millions of dollars, advertising? How much do you think that "z" cost to make? Your saying "labor" cost (which the "z" is not hand made and is operated 80% by machinery cost-effective) is $8,000. Than that covers labor what about the parts? Look how much markup is on Base model VS Performance. Its ridiculous! The parts alone even if you were to buy afterermarket wouldn't = from what you pay. Even the the outragous 2,000 for navigation? You can buy a top of the line navi with monitor for half the price! Manufactures need to make money because engineers designers, etc... If they don't they will be out of business...

 

Wicked4u2c - go ahead offer your warranty - I am so beyond caring about it at this point I am finished here. Good luck with all the hoods. What I was trying to point out was that NOT all the TS hoods fit the same....guess you have not experienced that yet, and for your sake, I hope you don't. I did not say all were defective, I said many were......that's been clearly proven already.

I think you ahve dug your own hole - congrats

 

Im finished here too... Good luck yourself too, and like I stated yesterday the hood is gone so no point in arguing about something that is not here anymore I apologize to you or anyone else if things got out of hand, I don't want enemies and we should all work together as enthusiast. If you have anymore questions PLEASE PM OR E-MAIL ME I will no longer write on this thread as it is pointless now...

Thank you!

 

I wonder why he is no longer writting on this thread? Sounds like someone tried very hard to back himself up, but alot of things that was said (especially regarding the statement that the Z is so cheap to make)

I still will never believe he can get our XENON HOUSINGS brand new for 500.00/pair ALL DAY LONG like he told me. I could go on and on and on about my feelings on statements that he tried to back himself up on, but I rather not waste my time typing on a situation that isn't about me. I just don't want everyone else to get burned by someone that some of us think is a little suspicious when it comes to business.

Oh well. . . Good luck guys.

 

Wow, you guys are being really unfair in all of this.

First off, Loco, if you're 21 and complaining you don't have money to get this installed and such, you shouldn't be modifying your car. You always need some bumper room when doing modifications.

Anyone will tell you it's very expensive. Things don't always go right. Especially when doing bodywork. You ALWAYS need bumper room with buying mods.

I don't mean to blast you but that was very unfair of you to throw in Wicked4u2c's face.


Now as far as the fitment of the hood, I talked to Wicked a lot before buying this hood. He had told me he doesn't believe there is any problems with this hood and that he personally had the hood on his car without any problems. So I was pretty relieved about that.

Then I talked to several people I know with after market hoods. I talked to a bodyshop also. Everyone told me most additional bodywork has to be done, usually very very minor, but usually there is always something. That concerned me a little, but since so many people told me it, I figured if I want something very nice and unique, I must be willing to take the risk of modifying a car.

By the time I was ready to buy the hood, I had talked to Loco, who got it before me. I asked him about the hood and how he liked it. He told me he loved the hood and it's awesome. I don't recall of him telling me about any imperfections

So I ordered the hood from Wicked. I got it 5 days later. I checked out the hood and found NO imperfections in the hood. The carbon fiber weaving was perfect, and the edges were smooth with the carbon rolled back, not just cut off (cheaper hood have rough edges.) Even then Wicked told me that if I found ANY problems to let him know and he'd take care of it... as any loyal and good business should.

Then came installation time. I ran out and bought 4 extra bolts since the OEM bolts were inside the OEM hood. I then put the hood on as a test fit before screwing it up. It lined up perfectly. So then went on the hood. I had to raise the latch about 1cm, just by unbolting 3 screws and slightly raising the latch. The hood then clicked and was closeable. The only problem was the left side was slightly higher than the right side. I could bearly squeeze my pinky between the left side where the hood meet the bumper Vs the Right side. I let Wicked know about this and he said he'll talk to Seibon about it and find out for me.

He then told me that I was the only known one with this problem. As he stated in another one of this threads. Proof of his honesty to the customer. I forget who it was that created the thread, but he said he had 1 customer who might be having a slight problem but is being taken care of. That 1 customer was me.

Now I was told to get hoodpins for safety reasons mainly, and on a sidenote get help slighten gap. This gap was so small, no one would notice unless you pointed it out might I mention. After getting the hoodpin installed, the hood was closing perfect. I even have pictures I'll be posting in the following posts.

Now after getting it all installed, I told wicked that I had my problem resolved with hoodpins, and that it's nothing major. That is why he is saying there is no problems with the hood. Because there isn't.


Finally, Webiteks, it's totally wrong of you you pulled Wickeds name and just slander it for no reason. He was nothing but honest and helpful with me. It seems just because he backed out of your deal your making this into something much bigger than it is, such as implying on Wicked's character. The question is not wether he can or can't afford those headlights at $500. Obviously you believed he could because you accepted the deal to begin with. You wouldn't have agreed to the deal unless you beleived it.

Point is.. You guys are attacking Wicked in my opinion. You make it seem he was trying to sell a product with problems and not telling people about!

If anyone of you had a problem, and were unhappy with it, you should have packed it right back up and try to return it for a refund. If anyone of you have had a problem with a hood by Seibon and bought from Wicked, did you infact return it? Did he decline and returns? I bet the answer is no.. and that you still have it. I'm sure if you contacted him and let him know he would have taken it back at full refund, as he offered me.

Anyways.. I'm not trying to be rude with any of you, I'm just trying to show that some of the things that have been said are very unfair and seems as if Wicked was being attacked here. I have had a very pleasant experience with Wicked, and glad I'm doing business with him. He's a great guy, and I'm going to continue to do more business with him.

 

Also another thing just hit me. I think everyone who has the TS style didn't have a problem. BigBadBlackTrack, Wicked4u2c, DeeZee, Z1 all have the TS Style.

Me and Loco have the VS. I think this slight fitment issue which is being exploded is only on the VS hood. So it's not fair to say that the batch was all "defective".. even though in my case it wasn't even a problem. Just a slight imperfection barely noticeable.

 

I didn't pull his name just to Slander it. There isn't any reason I would need to do that. I was simply stating what was going on between our deal, and a few things seemed strange to me, so I decided to let everyone know about it just to be cautious for others.

And you've confused me when you said I believed him because I accepted the deal. I didn't know any of this when we both agreed on the deal. . . this came up after he backed out. I didn't have any intention to back out. Even to this minute, I don't believe anyone can get $500 NEW Xenon housings anytime he/she wants. That's just me though. I didn't nothing but state my opinion on someone to others on here that would possibly be doing business with this guy. It had nothing to do with him not wanting to deal with me, it was just his choice of words and phrases made me unconfortable to do business with him, that's all.

There's no reason we should be arguing this long on this thread. It was simple an informative thread, not an agrumentative.

 

holy smokes.. i've done many transactions w/ wicked in person.. as a matter of fact i had one of the first seibon oem cf hoods.. i got it in december.. it fits perfect, took me and wicked 15 min to install it and it was even lighter than my stock hood.. i'm sure if there is fitment issues wicked and seibon will take care of you.. at least i hope so!

good luck guys, the hoods are the best construction and quality i've seen in person.. anyone in so cal can check mine out whenever they want.. i can post pics if anyone wants..

 

Can you post a pic of the hood painted. I am about to get my Ings+1 LS bodykit installed and painted. I was in a delima about painting the hood because I want it to fully color match the rest of the car. I was told that since it is cf that it will not coem out totally teh same color. The rear extra wing is cf so I was thinking about leaving the hood the cf color and just painting the rest of the kit. Here is a pic of the kit from the rear.

 

ricky- i dont need advise on how to spend my money. I am a very successfull business man and make plenty of money. That doesnt change the fact that when i do spend this much i expect something that fits not something i have to modify. I have already spoken to wicked and he is trying to help me more.

If he offered you a refund he should do the same for everyone who is unhappy. The notice in the package had its return policy and it didnt aply to me. He didnt offer a refund he offered solutions. Unfortunatly they didnt work. I havent said anyhting about his integrity or business practices.

 

So much hatred

 

who is the chick in the pic? I need that kind of love on my car once its done please!!