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Arias been pretty "stand-up" about the issue.
Again, good luck to all, including Arias!
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Originally posted by natve4ply
yeah i just got my engine built and i'm in the final stages of dynoing.....WTF am i going to do. take the car apart and have them fix the pistons? i've been waiting very long to have my car finished. and not i have to wait even longer? who is going to pay for this? i'm sure the FU*K not. this sucks so f'ing bad. i was going to get my car back on friday. now who the hell knows. God Da*m this turning out to be a bad day.
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yeah i just got my engine built and i'm in the final stages of dynoing.....WTF am i going to do. take the car apart and have them fix the pistons? i've been waiting very long to have my car finished. and not i have to wait even longer? who is going to pay for this? i'm sure the FU*K not. this sucks so f'ing bad. i was going to get my car back on friday. now who the hell knows. God Da*m this turning out to be a bad day.
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There is a simple reality here:
The deeper you get into all this ****, the deeper the **** you can get into.
I decided to cut my losses and bailed on the whole FI thing.
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well they pulled the lower oil pan off to look for the squiters but are having a hard time seeing them. no debris in the oil pan and after talking to the machine shop they said nothing looked out of place and that clearences were normal. they have put about 30 pulls on the dyno, drove it around the town and even in the begining there wasn't any type of noise that was suspect. then or now the car sounds fine and runs great, as i've been told. talked to arias on the phone and the case that they are aware of during the initial start-up after assembly they could definately tell that something sounded wrong. with mine there wasn't such a sound. they are going to look more carefully in the morning to locate any signs of wear and see if this could be a problem. anyone who can help me with proir knowlege on who would be suspect let me know. i'm so close to getting this finished i would hat to start over again. hope thats not the case.
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Originally posted by bullseye
Sounds like you're right, but I worry most about the folks who won't hear about this issue until after their installation is complete, and of course those whose installation is already complete. They will have more cost involved than just freight: disassembly/reassembly and any repair or replacement of damaged parts due to contact of pistons to squirters, for starters. That's assuming any broken bits don't contribute to a more general, cascading engine failure.
Again, good luck to all, including Arias!
Sounds like you're right, but I worry most about the folks who won't hear about this issue until after their installation is complete, and of course those whose installation is already complete. They will have more cost involved than just freight: disassembly/reassembly and any repair or replacement of damaged parts due to contact of pistons to squirters, for starters. That's assuming any broken bits don't contribute to a more general, cascading engine failure.
Again, good luck to all, including Arias!
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Regal...who are you...and how the hell would you know this????
If a customer has a claim against Arias, they will negotiate it one on one. Arias has been extremely cool about this so far...given them a chance to fix the problem. They are a family owned business, and they have making pistons for over 30years...they arent going anywhere.
If a customer has a claim against Arias, they will negotiate it one on one. Arias has been extremely cool about this so far...given them a chance to fix the problem. They are a family owned business, and they have making pistons for over 30years...they arent going anywhere.
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Originally posted by gq_626
From what Arias, and now what Z1 has posted, it is the driver side only. Maybe they can comment on this further, but maybe the squirters are positioned at an angle. Either way, it appears to only be the driver side that is affect.
From what Arias, and now what Z1 has posted, it is the driver side only. Maybe they can comment on this further, but maybe the squirters are positioned at an angle. Either way, it appears to only be the driver side that is affect.
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Originally posted by natve4ply
yeah i had to wait on those main and rod bearings for like 3 weeks. stupid nissan. still no word yet on the oil squirters and clearences
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yeah i had to wait on those main and rod bearings for like 3 weeks. stupid nissan. still no word yet on the oil squirters and clearences
Dustin(without anymore nails to chew off)
when are you gonna come back to cali?
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we gotta **** off some of those newport/laguna beach guys again
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Originally posted by gq_626
From what Arias, and now what Z1 has posted, it is the driver side only. Maybe they can comment on this further, but maybe the squirters are positioned at an angle. Either way, it appears to only be the driver side that is affect.
From what Arias, and now what Z1 has posted, it is the driver side only. Maybe they can comment on this further, but maybe the squirters are positioned at an angle. Either way, it appears to only be the driver side that is affect.
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there is no way to measure the clearance (unless you were gonna use clay), the crank and rods and girdle are blocking your reach in a bad way and its difficult enough to even SEE the oil squirters once the rotating assembly is put in. With the upper oil pan still on, I would highly doubt that you have any visability to a single oil squirter.
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Are these oil squirters that spray at the bottom of the piston? I haven't worked on a VQ yet so I have no idea. But if they are just spraying the bottom of the pistons you don't need them anyways.
Forged pistons love heat! lol
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Originally posted by etx
Are these oil squirters that spray at the bottom of the piston? I haven't worked on a VQ yet so I have no idea. But if they are just spraying the bottom of the pistons you don't need them anyways.
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Are these oil squirters that spray at the bottom of the piston? I haven't worked on a VQ yet so I have no idea. But if they are just spraying the bottom of the pistons you don't need them anyways.
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I have talked to a few people on this topic...much more knowledgable than me...and there is seems to be an ongoing debate on whether oil squirters are even necessary with forged pistons. Many people dont like them, surprisingly
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One person on the board that built his motor himself, actually just bent the driver's side squirters slightly, so lay are flatter and out of the way of the piston skirts.
one last thing. Arias isnt really putting a notch on the pistons, they are just shaving off some of the skirt...essentially smoothing it down just slightly, so it will clear the oil squirters.
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Unfortunately, even if you don't "need" them, broken off peices are a bad deal all the way around and if the break is not clean it will continue to shave peices of the piston off, giving your oil that nice glitter effect.
Our machinist just made a jig and cut these clearances so both the driver's and passenger's side have .080 of clearance.
Our machinist just made a jig and cut these clearances so both the driver's and passenger's side have .080 of clearance.
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He wanted to remove enough to provide .080 clearance so there would definately not be an issue with expansion. Also, by making a jig to do it he is ensuring that each piston will be cut the same.
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What suprises me is they didn't know about this before hand. I know a guy that had this happen to his motor last winter with the Arias pistons... may 2004.
from Nick at ntechengineering.com
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Also, it should be noted that we had to clearance the pistons to avoid contact with the oil spray jets the spray oil onto the underside of the pistons.
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from Nick at ntechengineering.com
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Also, it should be noted that we had to clearance the pistons to avoid contact with the oil spray jets the spray oil onto the underside of the pistons.
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Originally posted by gq_626
I was thinking the same thing. The oil squirters spray upwards towards the underside of the piston. They are deisgned to keep the stock cast pistons cool.
I was thinking the same thing. The oil squirters spray upwards towards the underside of the piston. They are deisgned to keep the stock cast pistons cool.