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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by gq_626
Correction...aaghhhhemm

ForgedInternals.com also sells the APS kits too!

http://www.forgedinternals.com/store/home.php?cat=254

I am trying to work on a GB on this item....stay tuned.
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 03:38 PM
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wow! a member for over two years and you have one post.
wow! you can do math!
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 03:46 PM
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I sure can! Watch....two years and two posts I just found it kind of weird and said something.....don't take it so personally d!ck.


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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 06:40 PM
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are you getting mad because the APS turbon is gona whoop a$s on the Greddy.. its ok it was only a matter of time till your car was going to be slower then the rest..
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 07:05 PM
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are you getting mad because the APS turbon is gona whoop a$s on the Greddy.. its ok it was only a matter of time till your car was going to be slower then the rest..
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 07:10 PM
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I guess now you see why I never really posted on this board, some people are just immature...
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 07:12 PM
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btw keep in mind i did not start this... didnt know why it was so important for you to mention the fact that this was my first post.. sigh.. but just so you know, I registered with this board a little under 2 years ago in hopes to get a Z, I was more of a lurker, but instead of a Z I got a G... so that being the reason I never posted on this site.. hope this will keep the bashing to a minimum..
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 06:16 AM
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What ever troll! You will have to upgrade the turbos to make anything over 650rwhp with the APS kit. The Greddy is good for 700rwhp before you have to upgrade the turbos.......And seeing how there is a lack of tuners for the APS TT most people who buy with this kit will be stuck with the box tune and will be around 425-450rwhp neighborhood. I am not jealous of the APS TT. I myself was going to get this kit, but the lack of tuners helped me make the decision to go greddy.

You are the only one being immature here. All I did was say you had only 1 post after two years and you got your panties all in a bunch.


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are you getting mad because the APS turbon is gona whoop a$s on the Greddy.. its ok it was only a matter of time till your car was going to be slower then the rest..
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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Gman, groupbuy...wtf? Chill out guy's.
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 07:25 PM
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nis350ztt I apologize, I wont stoop to his level.. sorry bro...
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 03:32 PM
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I stand corrected on my previous post about the amount of power the APS TT's are good for without swaping the turbo's. There is still a lack of tuners for the unichip. This was posted by peter on g35driver.

Just a little info and I hope this helps you guys, the APS/Garrett dual ball bearing turbochargers have sufficient mass air flow to support 800 Horepower at the crank (just on 82 lbs per minute mass air flow)..........I reckon this would be approx 700 WHP or there abouts.

For those that are going to get really serious about power in the future APS can also supply GT series dual ball bearing turbo chargers with 110 lbs per minute mass air flow (special order required)...............should be good for approx 1100 Horsepower and are direct bolt on turbo chargers, no mods required.

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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
I stand corrected on my previous post about the amount of power the APS TT's are good for without swaping the turbo's. There is still a lack of tuners for the unichip. This was posted by peter on g35driver.

Just a little info and I hope this helps you guys, the APS/Garrett dual ball bearing turbochargers have sufficient mass air flow to support 800 Horepower at the crank (just on 82 lbs per minute mass air flow)..........I reckon this would be approx 700 WHP or there abouts.

For those that are going to get really serious about power in the future APS can also supply GT series dual ball bearing turbo chargers with 110 lbs per minute mass air flow (special order required)...............should be good for approx 1100 Horsepower and are direct bolt on turbo chargers, no mods required.

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Kyle @ SGP Racing is the one who told me they would max out at 650rwhp, I then asked Peter what he thought about it, he said the same thing, that they would max out at ~700hp. Anyway, doesn't matter much.
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by nis350ztt
I then asked Peter what he thought about it, he said the same thing, that they would max out at ~700hp. Anyway, doesn't matter much.
I stated 800 Horsepower flywheel, by the time you allow for some drivetrain loss I figure around 700 WHP would be a fairly safe bet.

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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 05:11 PM
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Peter...ahh, I thought it was 700, oh well. I'd have to go back through the saved PM's and that would take a while.
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 05:12 PM
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Peter, so how much would it cost to upgrade the turbochargers? Would I just need to change the compressor wheel?
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by nis350ztt
Peter, so how much would it cost to upgrade the turbochargers?
Not sure of the cost though the turbo upgrade would be a completely new set of GT series dual ball bearing turbochargers complete with a larger turbine housing A/R, good for approx 1100 Horsepower.

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Old Apr 5, 2005 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by APS
Not sure of the cost though the turbo upgrade would be a completely new set of GT series dual ball bearing turbochargers complete with a larger turbine housing A/R, good for approx 1100 Horsepower.

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I think you will find that the stock heads/valvetrain will max out at around 600-650whp. You will, at a minimum, need bigger cams, and possibly bigger valves. In stock trim, you can only pump so much air into the motor...regardless of how much boost pressure you have built up in the manifolds. On the bench...the turbos should be good for 700whp, but I just dont see that happening on a stock headed VQ35. Same thing goes for the Greddy and PE turbos.
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Old Apr 5, 2005 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gq_626
I think you will find that the stock heads/valvetrain will max out at around 600-650whp. You will, at a minimum, need bigger cams, and possibly bigger valves.
I'm sure that's right and obviously you nead to have sufficient cyl head flow to make the power, I would have thought that was obvious to all Sharif.

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In stock trim, you can only pump so much air into the motor...regardless of how much boost pressure you have built up in the manifolds.
Again very true though you can't make 1100 Horsepower without sufficient mass air flow delivery from the turbo charger, (around 110 lbs per minute of mass air flow) no matter how good the cyl heads flow if you don't have sufficient mass air flow delivery from the turbochargers you will be limited to a certain power level, in other words it's the combination of total engine flow in conjunction with high mass air flow delivery from the turbocharger that produces high power.

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On the bench...the turbos should be good for 700whp, but I just dont see that happening on a stock headed VQ35. Same thing goes for the Greddy and PE turbos.
I'm not so sure about that, the stock heads are good and with the right cams I think around 650 to 700 WHP may be very possible, I let you know when I finish my own engine and then test it on the engine dyno.

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Originally Posted by APS
I'm sure that's right and obviously you nead to have sufficient cyl head flow to make the power, I would have thought that was obvious to all Sharif.
Maybe not obvious to all, Peter.

I am finding that with the stock cam and heads, it is difficult to make more than 520whp on the dyno. TRQ is through the roof at 580ft/lbs (19psi). But power is dropping off after 5500rpm...even as timing, boost pressure, and A/F ratios are steady.

I think many of us believed that the stock head was capable of 600whp...but that is not the case...at least based on my testing. Cams, are needed...at a minimum. There could also be some restrictions in the downpipe and exhuast that are contributing to this.
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Originally Posted by gq_626
Maybe not obvious to all, Peter.

I am finding that with the stock cam and heads, it is difficult to make more than 520whp on the dyno. TRQ is through the roof at 580ft/lbs (19psi). But power is dropping off after 5500rpm...even as timing, boost pressure, and A/F ratios are steady.

I think many of us believed that the stock head was capable of 600whp...but that is not the case...at least based on my testing. Cams, are needed...at a minimum. There could also be some restrictions in the downpipe and exhuast that are contributing to this.

You might also want to consider the 2005 lower plenum. It should flow a little better, by design than the pre 2005 implementation.
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