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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 08:04 AM
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Is blowing it up. I haven't even boosted since I got it out of storage. I was off the throttle this morning on the way to work and it went. Chunks everywhere. I've only been driving it for four days. Oh well, looks like it's time for a strong motor and a standalone.

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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 08:08 AM
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What FI kit do you have?
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 10:49 AM
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What FI kit do you have?
Does it matter? All turbo VQ35's are gonna pop some time, no doubt about that. I knew it would happen eventually.
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 11:05 AM
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Etx I'm sorry to hear about your motor and wish u luck on the new build. Gotta love how everybody just assumes the aps is flawless. God forbid the day 1 blows up cause then everyone will have to find a new golden cow to pray to. hehe
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 11:19 AM
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how much boost were u running?
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 11:24 AM
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Etx I'm sorry to hear about your motor and wish u luck on the new build. Gotta love how everybody just assumes the aps is flawless. God forbid the day 1 blows up cause then everyone will have to find a new golden cow to pray to. hehe
You assume it's APS...try Greddy TT if I remember correctly. ETX is one of the Greddy pioneers on the board.
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 11:29 AM
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You assume it's APS...try Greddy TT if I remember correctly. ETX is one of the Greddy pioneers on the board.
This is true. ETX installed his Greddy kit back in Dec/Jan04....about the same time as when I installed mine. He was also the mastermind behind the Greddy ignition harness, and installing diodes to prevent blown coils.

ETX, sorry to hear about the car....this thing wreaks of the dreaded crank angle sensor wire issue....terrible ignition timing can blow up and engine...even at idle.

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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 11:59 AM
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i am aware that the kit is Greddy if memory serves he was one of the first to self install as well. I was simply stating that the only reason people ask what kit was to make sure that there might aps has not yet fallen.
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 12:22 PM
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I am no expert, but if he blew the motor at idle then how does that support the fact that the internals are not strong enough....assuming he was under 400rhwp. If he was at idle then he was not pushing the limits of the rods.
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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I am no expert, but if he blew the motor at idle then how does that support the fact that the internals are not strong enough....assuming he was under 400rhwp. If he was at idle then he was not pushing the limits of the rods.
Good question, I've noticed this has happened a couple of people so far. My car is N/A and did the exact same thing, the minute I came off the throttle everything went bad. I think my problem could be attributed to lack of oil although I just had an oil change. (oil consumption problem that got worse as time went on)

etx, sorry for your misfortune. I'm sure it will be a beast once you get the engine rebuilt.
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Condolences...
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Originally Posted by 5thgenluder
i am aware that the kit is Greddy if memory serves he was one of the first to self install as well. I was simply stating that the only reason people ask what kit was to make sure that there might aps has not yet fallen.

I asked because I'm in the market for an FI kit, and it seems like only the Greddy and ATI blow up motors for the most part. Stillen, Vortech, APS and HKS all seem safe, though I'm sure they'll all blow up some motors as well.

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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 01:34 PM
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It would appear you have a bone to pick with APS.....or maybe you just don't like thorough engineering.

I think he was just pointing out in a cynical way that APS will eventually blow up some motors too. I think everyone knows that a stock motor can only take the abuse of FI for so long regardless of the type or manufacturer.

I do notice that Greddy is the leader in the blown motors category. Is it due to popularity and time since release, or is it bad? IMO it seems they leave too much up to the tuner.

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Originally Posted by xxlbeerZ
I think he was just pointing out in a cynical way that APS will eventually blow up some motors too. I think everyone knows that a stock motor can only take the abuse of FI for so long regardless of the type or manufacturer.

I do notice that Greddy is the leader in the blown motors category. Is it due to popularity and time since release, or is it bad? IMO it seems they leave too much up to the tuner.
Agreed...I just think they tried to rush to the market and did not put in the time that APS did when they designed their product....and I think it shows. With the number of extras you have to add to the Greddy kit to make it safe you are approaching APS territory.
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 01:49 PM
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No bones to pick here just simply frusterated with the bad name greddy kits are getting. In my opinion $ to $ the greddy is every bit as good of a kit as the aps. Better performance through research u say. Better quality through marketing I say. Aps has yet to make improvements on there kits they simply release posts 4 months after it came out about what it already had. Ie crank angle wire oil pan yada yada. Still a good kit just not the holy grail.
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Originally Posted by 5thgenluder
No bones to pick here just simply frusterated with the bad name greddy kits are getting. In my opinion $ to $ the greddy is every bit as good of a kit as the aps. Better performance through research u say. Better quality through marketing I say. Aps has yet to make improvements on there kits they simply release posts 4 months after it came out about what it already had. Ie crank angle wire oil pan yada yada. Still a good kit just not the holy grail.

My take on it, out of the box the APS is better, but properly tuned with accomodating parts and a built motor the Greedy kit is great.
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 03:22 PM
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I'm sorry for what happened etx...Sharif can get you the parts to be back up and running though.

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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thgenluder
No bones to pick here just simply frusterated with the bad name greddy kits are getting. In my opinion $ to $ the greddy is every bit as good of a kit as the aps. Better performance through research u say. Better quality through marketing I say. Aps has yet to make improvements on there kits they simply release posts 4 months after it came out about what it already had. Ie crank angle wire oil pan yada yada. Still a good kit just not the holy grail.
Don't you think the bad name they are getting is deserved. When I look at out of the box value and performance for the stock vq it's not even close. You put a standard issue greddy kit against an APS kit on a stock motor and we will see which one lasts....regardless of hp output. Greddy has no BOV, no ignition control, and no fuel solution. Why would APS have to make improvements to a kit they put a year of R&D into...they don't...that says something right there.

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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 04:11 PM
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Cleaning the thread of the APS crap...done.

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Originally Posted by g356gear
Don't you think the bad name they are getting is deserved. When I look at out of the box value and performance for the stock vq it's not even close. You put a standard issue greddy kit against an APS kit on a stock motor and we will see which one lasts....regardless of hp output. Greddy has no BOV, no ignition control, and no fuel solution. Why would APS have to make improvements to a kit they put a year of R&D into...they don't...that says something right there.
Agreed . . . How about adding the costs of modding the Greddy to what already comes on the APS = level playing field in terms of price. My kit feels like a freakin' money pit . . . .
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