How many lbs of boost are u running tinman?

 

I agree. Dyno numbers are interesting, but performance numbers are more meaningful.

 

did you guys read the article with the featured G? Now, that was quality work! =)

 

+1 I really like the JWT kit now that I read the article.

 

I didn't read the magazine, but from what I read here, and since its a new magazine. (GIVE THEM A BREAK!)

nice input from you guys (for them to make notes for the future issue)

from what I read( from you guys input) I think that there were writing for the "noobs" in the Z world. and for people who even don't Owen a Z and thinking of buying and moding one, and for people who don't even visit this or other Z forums and for people that don't have the time to read hundreds of comparison pages about each TT, ST ,SC ..

for the hardcore people (or for me at least) I wish the magazine will go find and dig for those custom cars (custom turbo kits, more info about HKS NISMO build motors, drag Z's, circuit Z's ... etc)


sorry for my bad writing

 

Sport Z Magazine is not new.

Not necessarily, the magazine is hardly carried in any bookstores (just about only one store in a big city such as Atlanta and they won't get too many copies of it) so it isn't for people who don't want to know about the 350Z.

I wish the article would have been similar to the description of the Stillen SC on the G35, I wish they would have done something similar with each turbo kit, just shortened it up a bit. And they did not include every turbo kit which I was a little dissapointed over.

Definitely was more towards people who are new to the Z/G.

 

i know 100% sure all 5AT were dyno in 4th.NOT SURE about 6MT.
was at 8lbs
see?that's what this artical all about.


to do in depth artical like Stillen SC G35 they got to have the car for few days which it very hard to do because myself i wouldn't want to lend my baby to somebody for few days.DO YOU?now do that to all 6 kits.

i'm not sure which turbo kit they left out.but i know for sure they can't locate and contact the car with that turbo kit on.not to mention the owner willing to play.

about numbers like 0-60 times,1/4 mile times.you need to have a device to times 0-60.you have to rent the track for 1/4 mile.you have to weight each car because of everyone of them are different.again take alot of time to do this.

Braking 60-0 times,if someone has a big brake kit,that will not be fair isn't?and the weight of different car play a big role in this test.at the end of the day,this is for braking,not thing to do with turbos.

on the specifications screwy.everyone of us asked to fill out the spec sheet.so it possible that the owner supplied wrong infomations or the printer misplace infos.mistake happened.

again,most of us here allready know about every kits but no one gather them together and put in one place to see.it might be no news for some of us here who browsing the site everyday.but it sure hell helpful for thousands out there.

bottom line is i feel SZM busting their bottoms try to do what they can within a time frame and certain condition permited.so yeah,give them a break! one thing i know for sure that they will never satisfied expectations,ever...still,keep them coming (in a nice way that is) because we all can learn from the past.

damn,i sound like i work for SZM :d fyi,i don't..peace out
steve

 

I appreciate the thought that SZM had, although I wasn't happy with the way it was done.

I also agree with sentry, I was suprised at the JWT, it sounds very tempting. ("All three SZM test drivers agreed that if Nissan produced a stock twin turbo 350Z, it would feel just like JWT's tight setup")

 

I'm almost tempted to wonder if JWT is hoping nissan will buy out his design and offer it up as a TT Z. Just a thought, probaly no hope it'll happen


tinman, yeah it'd be harder. That's what I said. I'm sure sport Z magazine doesn't have the money to rent out a track for a few hours etc. but SOMETHING other than artcles with some pictures and basically an elaborated mod list would be a neat change.

A lot of us are hoping to one day have cars like those modded cars and all we ever get out of those articles are "it's fast, it has a gazillion hp. It looks nice. It has xxxxxx mods on it" We have no concept of how that car drives, how it sounds, how it's handling is compared to other stock brand new cars out on the market etc.

Of course braking will be improved with a big brake kit. Brakes don't sound like the most interesting thing do they? Either does HP when it's just listed in an article. A reader has no comprehension of those numbers if they've never driven a car with 748whp or even been passenger.

As an example. My dad once told me about a guy with a 1200hp corvette and was giving people rides up and down a street. He wasn't even fully flooring it and every single person who went for a ride came back and was shaking and got out and looked at the car, held their hands up toward the car as if to say "back away" and said "whoaa whoaaa whoaaa. That's scary. That's the scariest ride I've ever had in my life. That's tooo fast. Waaaaay too fast. That almost wasn't even fun it was THAT scary fast."

I get a better idea from that than "this corvette runs 1200hp and sports a bla bla bla twin turbo kit, whatever camshafts, built up engine with whatever parts, and puts that massive power to the ground with whatever tires" It just doesn't do it for me. I can read a mod list. I can see those parts. I can get an idea of the parts and work that went into that car, but seriously have NO IDEA how it drives when I read sport Z articles. I'm not bashing them, I like their magazine and they do a great job. I just hope they can que readers in more on what the car is like

1/4 mile, 0-60 times etc would give you a sense of that too. Half of the articles the drivers never have 1/4 mile times to post. So they don't know how fast their car goes? BS

 

What did the article say the JWT kit sounded like? They're using two bypass valves right? Did they comment on if it makes any noise at all when letting off the gas? I still haven't gotten my mag and I'm pissed. lol I can't wait anymore.

 

they said the JWT kit is really really quiet and no BOV sound

 

Sentry65,



Tinmans G was dynoed in fourth gear.We make alot more power in third gear on the dyno with the auto trannies but they would not do it because they thought it could break the dyno!


The purpose of our intake manifold is that it keeps flowing more air on the top-end. Unfortunately, they didnt rev the car past 6500.They day before we dynoed the G and it made its peak power at 7400 rpms.


Tinmans G will be dynoed real soon with the built motor, Ferrea heads,bigger turbos,etc.... and it should set the bar for others to follow:^) My 350 will be finished soon and it is going to have twin 60-1 hi-fis on it.Those turbos have 1100+ horsepower potential.Take care.

 

One thing that was impressive about JWT is the amount of power it made down low... not the numbers that they made necessarily. It has very very good streetability for this reason, but is simply not the kit if you decide to upgade the engine and go for higher boost. The kit does not come with bigger injectors, they just crank up the fuel pressure. It would be good to know the fuel pressure as well and what duty cycle the injectors reach. IMO, this is not hte best way to do it, but i am sure they had their reasons. The numbers were great, the peak numbers. But i would really like to know if they were retarding timing, and if so how much. A single degree of timing is about 10-15 hp/trq on these cars. But that torque curve, you gotta love it on the JWT.

The reason I say this about JWT, is because we know what APS does with timing. They take out 5 degrees in Unichip, to yield 20 or so degrees of total advance. Since this is THE power maker, and THE determinant of safety with these setups, it is a key factor to know when buying a kit and when comparing the given numbers in thsi shootout.

OK, now PE... This sucks, I have got PE, and it's a great kit. I wish I didn;t get into al these engine issues over the last 6 months which kept me from tunign this car. But i am going to be somewhat free this summer to do this, and PE falls between the APS and JWT in terms of sizing, so if we actually had good representation, it would be great to see what it can do.

G

 

JWT was not able to provide bigger injectors as that would have eliminated any chance for CARB exemption. Per CARB the stock injectors must remain in the stock location. You can add sub injectors though. They also have to do a lot of trickery with the fuel and timing maps to pass CARB which is probably why its being so long and they still dont have a CARB cert. The JWT kit is nice just not what I wanted.

 

I laughed when I saw the pic with your son and car seat. I have a seat and son in the same spot in my silver G , that was one main reason I bought a G rather than Z, so I could haul the kids.

 

yeah, he was excited to be in a mag.

 

It's pretty funny when I stomp the thottle , my kids put their hands up like they're on a rolller coaster ride, and that's still NA. I have a feeling that with the built LB and APS TTs they be "slightly" more freaked out

 

Yeah, my 4 yr old says, "it's too loud!"

 

Hey Mia, if the stock injectors have to be in the car to pass CARB then you're saying that all these kits like APS will not pass not matter what? APS claims they will pass.

 

This isn't the case to my knowledge. You CAN switch injectors and still be carb-approved. The stock cats have to stay, and in stock position of course.