It seems to me as a better alternative to a reflash. Its fully adjustable at any time by the user and its not cookie cutter "one size fits all" like a reflash. It can be very specific to your mods and gasoline. So it should offer more potential than a reflash. ...but I've never seen a reflash do 20 NA HP. Never.

I can't say how much the EU will do but it will probably do more than a reflash. And this is why I will make the educated guess, take a risk and drop the money to see what happens. At the very least it should do as much as a reflash as far as HP is concerned.

I've got other new mods in development so I have other ways of using the EU if it doesn't pan out as initially intended.

Either way, I'll be writing it off anyways! Hehe.



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Sorry if I didnt answer your question more precisely. TS reflashed for N/A cars modify the fuel and timing curves to maximize power. You will be able to do the same thing, if you install and tune an EU. Keep mind that TS and AAM have lots experience tuning and reflashing ECU's. So unless you have tuning experience, or a desire to learn and experiment with tuning, then you will need a professional tuner to optimze your fuel and timing curves. But yes, it can be done with the EU.

 

I think you did, I just didn't get it. Thanks.

I going to wait a month or two until you've had some time on it. Then I'm thinking of taking a few days off and driving down there for you to install and tune. I figure a days drive each way and a day there.

Do you need more than a day for an install and tune? I could stay longer.

Do you charge more if I help?

 

Just to clarify i meant you could easily make an additional 20rwhp with some bolt ons and a very well tunned e-manage

 

Not to be rude, but there are a number of people in the group buy that are buying this for NA cars. It is a forum group buy not a "FI Only" opportunity even though it is in the FI threads. To be honest it really should be in a different area on the site so more people would see this as another tuning opportunity.

 

I was just informing him why is questions probally didnt get answered and then i tried to answer it as best i could, but thanks for your useless post.

 

Significant gains are possible with an ECU reflash or other methods of tuning, only if you are leaving power on the table, meaning you are not running with a proper A/F ratio or timing maps for the fuel you are using. With more NA mods, the higher the theoretical potential to get more power out of a tune since the stock ECU doesn't necessarily react to the mods the way you would like it to. I for one have had 4 TS reflashes and still do not have a proper A/F ratio (running rich) and it is getting frustrating and costly to send the ECU out in hopes of a good tune, and even then you hope you don't go too far one way or the other because then you send it back again...... If I lived close to TS or AAM I would drive there and have them tune the car on the dyno and would not go with the Emanage until I went FI, but since I don't live anywhere near either of them, this option gives me more tuning options with shops that are very close and prepares me for FI down the road. There are a few things the TS or AAM reflash will do that the EU will not. One is the rev limiter increase and another is the TB 100% open fix. These are a nice addition which is why a limited ECU reflash + the EU might be a really nice way to go for many people. Cam timing is another thing the ECU reflash can do and the EU can not, but it is not really known yet just where this lies in tuning a cammed NA car, but it could be significant. All I know is that having this as an option will open the door to future tuning for changes that I make to my car by driving it to a shop nearby instead of sending the ECU back and forth hoping it all goes well within a few attempts.

 

I don't think it is useless, I simply recommended that it not be considered a "FI only" thread and that there may be more potential buyers if it was moved to an area of the boards where more people might see it or at least another thread pointing to it.

 

I'm buying the EU for NA along with RC 440 injectors and the CJ motorsports fuel return system

I'm thinking I'll get the JWT TT when it comes out with the EU and I'll already have the perfect fuel system for it

 

Is there a reason you want to go to this fuel setup for NA, besides the move to FI in the future? I have thought about this myself, but from my experience the stock fuel system can easily provide enough fuel for NA setups, unless you are doing nitrous?

 

yeah I might be using a 50 shot of nitrous

I got the RC 440 injectors for $300 with 1000 miles on them from a greddy kit.

I figure a fuel return system is just a good thing to have - even for NA. I mean why not? Besides I'll use it later for FI and maybe it'll be good for nitrous.

I heard the stock fuel pump is barely adequate and is almost maxed out.

My car dynos 280-290whp right now and I'm estimating it'll gain 5-7 more whp when I do a few more things to it.

I've read that the stock fuel system just isn't all that great. The Sport Z interview with the Nissan driver said once you start going over 300 crank hp the fuel delivery isn't consistent and varys. So why not just fix it?

I'm gonna need all that stuff for FI down the road anyway, might as well just get it now. Maybe I can make the car run better with it.

Also I'm getting the Kinetix SSV plenum cause I broke a bolt on my lower stock plenum and there's a small air leak that's currently plugged with some silicon. Since I'm going to be taking the whole manifold off, I'll be right there to do the injectors and fuel rails.

I have the money to do FI right now, but barely. I don't want to do it unless I have some head room in case there's problems. I'd prefer to do an engine build first too. Right now handling and making the car more track bulletproof is my primary concern

 

And its a very valid point, zzya. The majority of people buying the EU are F/I people, so I elected to post it on the F/I forum. At ths point, do you think we could get more exposure by double posting in the performance mods section? If so, I can certainly put another thread in that area.

 

+1..I think this would be a great idea..

 

Sharif: Any pics of what's inside? I want to see if they changed the ignition drivers.

 

http://www.mohdparts.com/emanage/ult...ide/index.html

 

So John what do you think of it from the inside?

 

I need a better pic. The area I need to see is in the upper right quadrant of "8421_small".

 

Are you clicking on them? Are you trying to read part numbers?

 

Wow. Great pics. Look at the last pic, and see the row of six large 1k ohm (engraved "102") surface mount resistors, all in a row. They look the same as in the blue box, but it looks like they are connected to a different driver chip, TD62309F. I'll see if it comes up on google.

Ok, it came up as the first entry:

http://www.semicon.toshiba.co.jp/td/..._datasheet.pdf

Page 5 shows the VceSat curve, which shows how well it turns on. With a 1k load resistor connected to 5v, it looks like it works well, without adding diodes. Better measure the output voltage first, though.

 

A picture is worth a thousand words...