I won't comment on the bagging as I have done my fair share...but yeah I know its hard to read every post. I miss a lot of them myself. But I think tig posted about this and two other guys for sure chimed in with the same issue./

 

I've seen multiple posts on this and other forums of smoking TT's and a few ST's. APS kits are great for the most part, but there are so many skeletons in their closet from people keeping their mouth shut about its not even funny.

The APS TT is an awesome setup, even with the relatively few smoking and wastegate actuator issues. If I were going with a TT, this would be the kit to buy.

As far as the APS ST, it's a good kit in all, but the majority of the people running it haven't posted their ~330-350whp numbers. Even at $400 more the Turbonetics kit would still be a better deal as far as hp/$. If you wanted an extra psudo fuel return, etc, you would be better off buying the TN tuner kit and going with some bigger injectors, EU, and fuel return.

And, please let me know where ALL the satisfied APS ST owners are? I've seen maybe 5 post positive results, one with an impressive 400whp, and the rest are keeping quiet or posting mostly problems and complaints.

As for BriGuyMax - don't mind him, he's just an elitist douchebag with no sense of humor.

 

I'm not going to sit here and argue about hack single turbo kits, but do you know how retarded it sounds to say that one single turbo kit consistantly makes more power than another single turbo kit with a similiar size turbo?

And FYI...I never said anything about the APS ST being anything special.

Calling me an elitist douch after you bagged on maxima owners for having quick cars? Pot ---- Kettle ----- black?

This is all I have to say....unsubscribing....

 

i'm sorry, what were you guys saying about aps guys staying in the closet? check the sig. hopefully after my appt. with xxtuning 400whp wil be in my sights. btw, tuarran, whats up with all the hate homie?

 

Not hating, just stating the facts, man. I'd be happy to hear more good news about the APS ST, but so far I just haven't seen it from more than 3 people.

As far as the Maxima thread, that was just some playful ribbing about their family sedan. Maxima owners come to this forum with a chip on their shoulder, not my fault they are so sensitive.

 

Taurran do you ever notice that it's always the same people that post and complain about there kits? I've been watching this for a long time. By the way I'm talking about all kits.

 

Once again, noone will admit that they have spent a large sum on a kit which is not the best. Whatever you have in your car is the best, or so you will say. The point is that APS ST is a better bargain after the TN price increase, thats all. APS provides a more comprehensive kit requiring less extra stuff to buy (an oil coller is one of them). As per the smoking issue, well, didn't a few people had problems with the TN reflash? Kcobean is one of them , if I'm correct. But this looks like the return of "which ST kit is better" debates. I, for once is very disapointed with the Turbonetics move, which in my opinion trying to squeeze more money out of people on the budget. It is really disgusting, considering that the people on budget are the ones who put that kit on the map when everyone with money was buying APS TT. I sinserely hope that the Turbonetics shoots itself in the foot with this move by losing buisness to APS. I for once have decided to wait long, gather more $ and go all out with the APS TT.

 

Well thats sad to hear after all the PMs back and forth..but good luck. I'm sorry if you don't personally agree with the price increase and if you honestly think its just a ploy to squeeze more money out of people. Turbonetics doesn't just arbitrarily raise prices. The prices for EVERYTHING are going up. Vortech just did this about a year ago. As production and labor costs increase so is the end price. I'm sorry if you can't understand that and take it personal but if thats what you want to think fine thats your opinion. I think its a bit low to bad mouth Turbonetics because of that since they have done nothing but support this board and produce the best kit they could for the money for the last year. But hey to each his own. Good luck with your kit..

 

Oh yeah? My dad can beat up your dad!!!

Seriously though, it's all about the law of supply and demand. The Turbonetics kit is a great kit and it's selling like hot-cakes, (probably better than the APS kit based on the discussion traffic about the two here on the forum). That means that they can justifiably ask a little more for it. It's also reasonable to believe that the costs of manufacturing might be going up, and so that could be a contributing factor as well.

The performance of the two S/T kits is very similar, so it's not unreasonable that the price should be similar as well. I think the friction stems from the fact that alot of the APS owners speak of the Turbonetics kit as if it's the "cheap kit" (not cheap price, but cheap quality) on the market and to ask anywhere near as much for the Tnetics kit as the APS kit is a "rip-off". It strikes me as a little arrogant to make such a statement given that both kits have their quirks while they offer such comparable performance. I'm not knocking anybody, as it's natural to be prideful and defensive of something that you spend this much money on, but we should all realize that "better" is a very vague term.

Peace out!

 

NO i didn't because it is for the G35 before the price hike.

 

Like I said, I do greatly apreciate all of your help I have recieved when I was looking at TN ST. But I look at all kit in terms of $-to-$ value. After the increase, however, this $-to-$ just swung against the TN. If the price increase is to be universal across the board in all FI kits, then I will admit to totally misjudging the situation and will gladly bolt on the TN kit. I will even write a 5 page letter of apology to the Turbonetics. But it is weird that the production cost hike affected one company and not the others.

 

I put an easy 10k on my APS ST kit (probably the first one in all of the US) which dyno'd at 380whp and 401 lb/ft torque. These numbers were before the addition of my APS plenum as well. I've barely had any issues aside from one minor annoyance, which was fixed very quickly. I, personally, believe that most issues are directly related to the install....

 

Considering that not every single company uses the EXACT same suppiers it is very possible. Vortech hiked their prices by about $400-500 about a year ago citing that exact same thing. Production costs went up. It happens to every one. In big companies like Turbonetics you sign a contract with suppliers of certain materials and get a locked in price for the most part. When that contract expires that supplier may increase the price for the renewal and there may not be a quality alternative that is any cheaper. Whatever the reason for the cost increase I think its wrong to automatically assume Turbonetics is being greedy. They are a VERY large company and while the Z kit has been a HUGE success for them it is not the only thing they make money on. Their biggest revenue comes from turbochargers sold individually to companies people, etc. They also happen to sell kits for a WIDE range of cars from 200Sx's to Supras, to Mustangs, to Scions, to H3s. The price is going up for ALL the kits not just the Z/G kit. If it was any different then I could see questioning their motives. But when ALL of their products are going to under go a price increase at the same time its pretty hard to say they are just being greedy. And believe me when I tell you that if greed was their motive they would not have held a Open House event that costs them in the double digit thousands free of charge to anyone who attended even if they had a competitors kit installed.

 

so, it's december 1st or january 1st? i am going to assume january 1st because the Turbonetics man said so! :-P

 

It is Jan 1

 

OK, I belive you. Based on what you are saying, I take back my badmouthing of the company. So I stand corrected. I have never, BTW, said anything about the TN kit being inferior to any APS stuff. In fact I still think that it is possibly the most ingenious kit on the market, the way they went about designing a most cost-effetcive way to bolt up a turbo to a VQ without destroying the latter is amazing. BUT (and there always is a BUT) this is what I have planned intitially: Bolt on the TN kit, add an B&M oil cooler, AA oil pan spacer, put on a Varis bumper air duct to (let the cold air rush in over the turbo thus cooling it) and a vented hood (for the hot air created by the scorching piece of iron under the hood to escape). All this stuff with install, based on older price of the kit would arrive about $1500 less then the APS TT. APS TT would still have more power, but I was willing to sacrifice some for a better price. After all, what are my odds in running into an APS 350Z? But to save less the a grand? I am not sure anymore.

As far as some people get the Peter syndrome from buying the APS TT and start acting like they are superior to everyone, I think that it's idiotic and promise that when I get my APS TT I will be nice to all the peasants with the TN kits.

 

I hate to bring this dumb thread back to life, but I do not entirely agree with you. In order to make a TN kit you just need a turbo, the IC, some mandrel bent piping and fuel injectors/pump. They don't even need to include any electronics b/c it's re-flash based. Meanwhile APS does all that (minus the flash) plus and oil pan, cast manifolds, unichip, FPR... Their production costs should be higher, unless in Australia the labor and material are cheaper.

And following the line of logic that the asking price should be best on performance/performance potential, then the Greddy kit should not sell for less then 10K.

 

Keep in mind the US dollar is worth more then the AUS dollar. So they can sell for a bit less here then they do over there. I belive someone from AUs posted thats the reason he was looking elsewhere from that kit.

 

Its a business. Supply and Demand. Demand goes up, price goes up. Turbonetics is not in business to help out the Z community. They are in business to make money off the Z community. Isnt it funny that Turbonetics themselves have not chimmed in on this thread to justify there price increase?

 

Why should they? Does McDonals put out a public announcement when they increase their menu prices?