Heat Wrap???
12-02-2005, 12:38 PM
#21
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Escondido
Posts: 11,373
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by nissansource
Just got off the phone with my manifold guy he did say that SS304 is stronger then mild steal but one must not exclude it prone to weakening due to heat wrap. all metels that endure heat and keep that heat in will be prone to weaken or crack. its a god given with metals of this nature. now the SS304 is made to exhaust the heat off alot faster then regular mild steel and make itself cold to touch in minutes vs mild steel. Either way I know there are different circumstances in ways turbos are mounted or braced and such but let me stress this area is not my forte so dont take my word for it.
12-02-2005, 11:31 PM
#22
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: NC
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I had my turbonetics turbo housing and all the pipes coming from manifolds up to the housing-ceramic coated. I also did just the downpipe but not the one that goes underneth the car. Then I spayed it with black high temp paint for cosmetics concern. The pipes will come snow white. It is the best way to go. After I have been driving the car, I then turn it off , quickly touch the housing and not burn myself. I have a thermo laser temp gun and before I coated the parts, the housing temp at idle, was between 380 to 420. Now it is around 180 to 220. Huge difference. It is worth every penny. Header wrap is horrible, ugly, and hard to put on. Just make sure you do not purchase flame spray or a jet coat. make sure it is a true molted ceramic. I sent mine up to N.Y. a company called Swain Tech coatings.
12-03-2005, 06:00 AM
#23
Registered User
iTrader: (18)
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: .
Posts: 9,482
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by SleeperZ
I had my turbonetics turbo housing and all the pipes coming from manifolds up to the housing-ceramic coated. I also did just the downpipe but not the one that goes underneth the car. Then I spayed it with black high temp paint for cosmetics concern. The pipes will come snow white. It is the best way to go. After I have been driving the car, I then turn it off , quickly touch the housing and not burn myself. I have a thermo laser temp gun and before I coated the parts, the housing temp at idle, was between 380 to 420. Now it is around 180 to 220. Huge difference. It is worth every penny. Header wrap is horrible, ugly, and hard to put on. Just make sure you do not purchase flame spray or a jet coat. make sure it is a true molted ceramic. I sent mine up to N.Y. a company called Swain Tech coatings.
12-03-2005, 06:20 AM
#24
03 CS Track 6MT
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 2,841
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
How expensive is that coating? I am considering having my pipes wrapped this winter (which is a bit of work to remove and reinstall everything) so maybe it makes sense to have it coated instead?
Also, anyone know hard it is to do the turbo housing?
Also, anyone know hard it is to do the turbo housing?
12-03-2005, 07:48 AM
#25
Registered User
iTrader: (4)
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: EveryWhere & yet... NoWhere
Posts: 2,880
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
Sleeper,
This looks like some amazing stuff. Could you give us a rough idea of costs? I am contacting them now for further information myself.
Thanks for the FYI man.
Brent
This looks like some amazing stuff. Could you give us a rough idea of costs? I am contacting them now for further information myself.
Thanks for the FYI man.
Brent
Originally Posted by SleeperZ
I had my turbonetics turbo housing and all the pipes coming from manifolds up to the housing-ceramic coated. I also did just the downpipe but not the one that goes underneth the car. Then I spayed it with black high temp paint for cosmetics concern. The pipes will come snow white. It is the best way to go. After I have been driving the car, I then turn it off , quickly touch the housing and not burn myself. I have a thermo laser temp gun and before I coated the parts, the housing temp at idle, was between 380 to 420. Now it is around 180 to 220. Huge difference. It is worth every penny. Header wrap is horrible, ugly, and hard to put on. Just make sure you do not purchase flame spray or a jet coat. make sure it is a true molted ceramic. I sent mine up to N.Y. a company called Swain Tech coatings.
12-05-2005, 10:11 PM
#26
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: NC
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Taurran- It is never to late to coat the housing and the pipes. They just have to give it a little more prep work. Now flame spray and jet hot are a paint type of coating which are about 0.003 thick where as I had the ceramic and is 0.015 thick. To coat your pipes and housing it is not a waste of money nor is it just for cosmetics. As you can see my signiture it is all about performance and [B]NO COSMETICS. The surface temp. is down 60% and the ambient is down to 50%. Like I said before after boosting my car I can touch the housing and not burn myself. Ceramic is permanent unlike header wrap which I will never have again. Header wrap gets wet, collects dirt, and its ugly. This comes rough texture pearl white that can be painted with high temp paint for color desire. This is the best I have ever seen. The coating is awsome. Swain Tech is the company I had my work done and there is no substitution. Trust me it is the best investment. The heat shield that comes with the Turbonetics kit is terrible especially for the money you spend on the system. Conclusion I am extremely satisfied with this product and even though it is a street application and not a full out race it is well worth it. Pricing is about 45 bucks a foot of pipe and 75 to 100 on the turbo housing.
01-20-2006, 10:03 AM
#28
03 CS Track 6MT
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 2,841
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by SleeperZ
Taurran- It is never to late to coat the housing and the pipes. They just have to give it a little more prep work. Now flame spray and jet hot are a paint type of coating which are about 0.003 thick where as I had the ceramic and is 0.015 thick. To coat your pipes and housing it is not a waste of money nor is it just for cosmetics.
Ceramic is permanent unlike header wrap which I will never have again. Header wrap gets wet, collects dirt, and its ugly. This comes rough texture pearl white that can be painted with high temp paint for color desire. This is the best I have ever seen. The coating is awsome. Swain Tech is the company I had my work done and there is no substitution.
Ceramic is permanent unlike header wrap which I will never have again. Header wrap gets wet, collects dirt, and its ugly. This comes rough texture pearl white that can be painted with high temp paint for color desire. This is the best I have ever seen. The coating is awsome. Swain Tech is the company I had my work done and there is no substitution.
Thanks.
01-20-2006, 12:16 PM
#29
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Albany, GA
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ok guys just to give you what I know:
304 SS has a higher rockwell hardness vs. Carbon Steel
Carbon steel is about 20% stronger (yield) than 304 SS
304SS is very prone to deferemation when heat is applied.
If you put heat tape on your exhaust, it will be fine for 304SS until you take it apart. Once you take your exhaust apart, you will never get it back together correctly. That is why only racers coat/wrap there exhaust.
If you are looking at cooling the engine bay - convective cooling is much more effective than reducing conductive heat!!!!!
304 SS has a higher rockwell hardness vs. Carbon Steel
Carbon steel is about 20% stronger (yield) than 304 SS
304SS is very prone to deferemation when heat is applied.
If you put heat tape on your exhaust, it will be fine for 304SS until you take it apart. Once you take your exhaust apart, you will never get it back together correctly. That is why only racers coat/wrap there exhaust.
If you are looking at cooling the engine bay - convective cooling is much more effective than reducing conductive heat!!!!!
01-22-2006, 05:40 AM
#31
I haz da turbos
iTrader: (9)
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the basement
Posts: 1,621
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Insulating your intercooler piping would probably be a bad idea, as the whole purpose of the intercooler is to get rid of heat, not to reatin it.
As for the exhaust lagging, i was just wondering if you guys are talking about welded and bent stainless headers, or cast headers. Because the lagging shouldn´t affect cast headers at all. Welded ones, yes i can understand how the welds can become weakend, but the are no welds on cast headers. Anybody second that?
As for the exhaust lagging, i was just wondering if you guys are talking about welded and bent stainless headers, or cast headers. Because the lagging shouldn´t affect cast headers at all. Welded ones, yes i can understand how the welds can become weakend, but the are no welds on cast headers. Anybody second that?
01-22-2006, 10:09 AM
#32
Originally Posted by ReV2Red
Insulating your intercooler piping would probably be a bad idea, as the whole purpose of the intercooler is to get rid of heat, not to reatin it.
As for the exhaust lagging, i was just wondering if you guys are talking about welded and bent stainless headers, or cast headers. Because the lagging shouldn´t affect cast headers at all. Welded ones, yes i can understand how the welds can become weakend, but the are no welds on cast headers. Anybody second that?
As for the exhaust lagging, i was just wondering if you guys are talking about welded and bent stainless headers, or cast headers. Because the lagging shouldn´t affect cast headers at all. Welded ones, yes i can understand how the welds can become weakend, but the are no welds on cast headers. Anybody second that?
