Are You For Or Against Boost?
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Originally Posted by MagicPie
How can you hate boost your taking normally wasted power from the exhaust and putting it back into your engine with a turbo. Plus now a really well design turbo has very little or none turbo lag
It's the trendy, and hip thing to do. It's a relatively cheap way of making your engine much more powerful than it will ever be in NA form. This is why a $20 SRT-4 can slightly outrun a Z. Turbo is the easy way out of things. Now take a look at VERY WELL tuned NA engines. The most straightforward example is the S54 engine found in E46 M3's. It basically owns the the VQ, hands down. Increasing volume and adding turbos is the easy way to squeeze out horsepower. THe S54 does neither. It takes a 3.2L I6 and throws down more than 100hp/L. And it revs passed 8000rpm to boot. Unless you add a lot of money, the VQ is not capable of this.
If you examine all the exotics cars, they are mostly NA, with the exception of Porsche 911's, which are heavy in my opinion. The current 997 with the x51 power package puts down 381hp with its 3.8L flat 6. INSANE. This is real world tuning. Be sure to check out the specs on the Enzo, F430, Carrera GT, Gallardo, and Muciellego while you're at it. All NA.
Finally, I'll leave off with the M-series vs AMG rivalry. Mercedes concentrates only on adding huge brakes, superchargers and turbos, and adjusted suspensions on their AMG versions. BMW chooses only select cars to tune, and adds VERY HIGH performance NA engines. The new V10 in the E60 M5 is insane (thing redlines at 8k+rpm). The M5 eats the boosted CLS 55 all day.
Moral of the story: boost is the cheap way out. Efficient, high revving NA engines are MUCH harder to come by and represent much higher terms of performance.
Originally Posted by SB Track
Here's why I hate boost:
It's the trendy, and hip thing to do. It's a relatively cheap way of making your engine much more powerful than it will ever be in NA form. This is why a $20 SRT-4 can slightly outrun a Z. Turbo is the easy way out of things. Now take a look at VERY WELL tuned NA engines. The most straightforward example is the S54 engine found in E46 M3's. It basically owns the the VQ, hands down. Increasing volume and adding turbos is the easy way to squeeze out horsepower. THe S54 does neither. It takes a 3.2L I6 and throws down more than 100hp/L. And it revs passed 8000rpm to boot. Unless you add a lot of money, the VQ is not capable of this.
If you examine all the exotics cars, they are mostly NA, with the exception of Porsche 911's, which are heavy in my opinion. The current 997 with the x51 power package puts down 381hp with its 3.8L flat 6. INSANE. This is real world tuning. Be sure to check out the specs on the Enzo, F430, Carrera GT, Gallardo, and Muciellego while you're at it. All NA.
Finally, I'll leave off with the M-series vs AMG rivalry. Mercedes concentrates only on adding huge brakes, superchargers and turbos, and adjusted suspensions on their AMG versions. BMW chooses only select cars to tune, and adds VERY HIGH performance NA engines. The new V10 in the E60 M5 is insane (thing redlines at 8k+rpm). The M5 eats the boosted CLS 55 all day.
Moral of the story: boost is the cheap way out. Efficient, high revving NA engines are MUCH harder to come by and represent much higher terms of performance.
It's the trendy, and hip thing to do. It's a relatively cheap way of making your engine much more powerful than it will ever be in NA form. This is why a $20 SRT-4 can slightly outrun a Z. Turbo is the easy way out of things. Now take a look at VERY WELL tuned NA engines. The most straightforward example is the S54 engine found in E46 M3's. It basically owns the the VQ, hands down. Increasing volume and adding turbos is the easy way to squeeze out horsepower. THe S54 does neither. It takes a 3.2L I6 and throws down more than 100hp/L. And it revs passed 8000rpm to boot. Unless you add a lot of money, the VQ is not capable of this.
If you examine all the exotics cars, they are mostly NA, with the exception of Porsche 911's, which are heavy in my opinion. The current 997 with the x51 power package puts down 381hp with its 3.8L flat 6. INSANE. This is real world tuning. Be sure to check out the specs on the Enzo, F430, Carrera GT, Gallardo, and Muciellego while you're at it. All NA.
Finally, I'll leave off with the M-series vs AMG rivalry. Mercedes concentrates only on adding huge brakes, superchargers and turbos, and adjusted suspensions on their AMG versions. BMW chooses only select cars to tune, and adds VERY HIGH performance NA engines. The new V10 in the E60 M5 is insane (thing redlines at 8k+rpm). The M5 eats the boosted CLS 55 all day.
Moral of the story: boost is the cheap way out. Efficient, high revving NA engines are MUCH harder to come by and represent much higher terms of performance.
Originally Posted by SB Track
Here's why I hate boost:
It's the trendy, and hip thing to do. It's a relatively cheap way of making your engine much more powerful than it will ever be in NA form. This is why a $20 SRT-4 can slightly outrun a Z. Turbo is the easy way out of things. Now take a look at VERY WELL tuned NA engines. The most straightforward example is the S54 engine found in E46 M3's. It basically owns the the VQ, hands down. Increasing volume and adding turbos is the easy way to squeeze out horsepower. THe S54 does neither. It takes a 3.2L I6 and throws down more than 100hp/L. And it revs passed 8000rpm to boot. Unless you add a lot of money, the VQ is not capable of this.
If you examine all the exotics cars, they are mostly NA, with the exception of Porsche 911's, which are heavy in my opinion. The current 997 with the x51 power package puts down 381hp with its 3.8L flat 6. INSANE. This is real world tuning. Be sure to check out the specs on the Enzo, F430, Carrera GT, Gallardo, and Muciellego while you're at it. All NA.
Finally, I'll leave off with the M-series vs AMG rivalry. Mercedes concentrates only on adding huge brakes, superchargers and turbos, and adjusted suspensions on their AMG versions. BMW chooses only select cars to tune, and adds VERY HIGH performance NA engines. The new V10 in the E60 M5 is insane (thing redlines at 8k+rpm). The M5 eats the boosted CLS 55 all day.
Moral of the story: boost is the cheap way out. Efficient, high revving NA engines are MUCH harder to come by and represent much higher terms of performance.
It's the trendy, and hip thing to do. It's a relatively cheap way of making your engine much more powerful than it will ever be in NA form. This is why a $20 SRT-4 can slightly outrun a Z. Turbo is the easy way out of things. Now take a look at VERY WELL tuned NA engines. The most straightforward example is the S54 engine found in E46 M3's. It basically owns the the VQ, hands down. Increasing volume and adding turbos is the easy way to squeeze out horsepower. THe S54 does neither. It takes a 3.2L I6 and throws down more than 100hp/L. And it revs passed 8000rpm to boot. Unless you add a lot of money, the VQ is not capable of this.
If you examine all the exotics cars, they are mostly NA, with the exception of Porsche 911's, which are heavy in my opinion. The current 997 with the x51 power package puts down 381hp with its 3.8L flat 6. INSANE. This is real world tuning. Be sure to check out the specs on the Enzo, F430, Carrera GT, Gallardo, and Muciellego while you're at it. All NA.
Finally, I'll leave off with the M-series vs AMG rivalry. Mercedes concentrates only on adding huge brakes, superchargers and turbos, and adjusted suspensions on their AMG versions. BMW chooses only select cars to tune, and adds VERY HIGH performance NA engines. The new V10 in the E60 M5 is insane (thing redlines at 8k+rpm). The M5 eats the boosted CLS 55 all day.
Moral of the story: boost is the cheap way out. Efficient, high revving NA engines are MUCH harder to come by and represent much higher terms of performance.
You can't just show the rear view without the front view 
That car is porno!
Quad-Turbo, 1001HP stock, 922TQ stock.
That car is porno!Quad-Turbo, 1001HP stock, 922TQ stock.
Originally Posted by nissansource
bugatti veyron WORLDS Fastest production car and its Boosted my higher terms of performance
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From: TEXAS
Originally Posted by ZlleH
You can't just show the rear view without the front view That car is porno!
Quad-Turbo, 1001HP stock, 922TQ stock.
That car is porno!Quad-Turbo, 1001HP stock, 922TQ stock.
Originally Posted by throbbing_Zon
I'll trade my N/A for boost if I could pay. My N/A is great but can't be like well done and tuned TT kit. Last night I was out and happend by a Z06. I was like, "oh man I want to run with this guy". I knew he was wanting me to try too, but no thanks. 
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Originally Posted by ZlleH
You can't just show the rear view without the front view That car is porno!
Quad-Turbo, 1001HP stock, 922TQ stock.
That car is porno!Quad-Turbo, 1001HP stock, 922TQ stock.
as for my .02 cents
it comes down to a matter of personal preference. You want ***** to the wall power then FI sounds good for you (my personal preference) You want a balanced car with an even power band and usable torque etc, allmotor or even supercharged sounds like your answer. I think a turbo car is just as challenging to build as an all motor car. Dont forget about the complexity, the strengthening required, the cooling, all those things factor in and need to be accounted for. All motor has its own perils, flow, velocity, torque, rpm, balance, weight, timing and cams. Both require engineering. You cant say boost is the easy way out. And boost isnt trendy, its been around for a while.
BUT if NA could produce as much power as boost, i would go NA, throttle response is beautiful, and after driving cars like the M3, you start missing it w/ boosted cars.
Originally Posted by SB Track
Here's why I hate boost:
It's the trendy, and hip thing to do. It's a relatively cheap way of making your engine much more powerful than it will ever be in NA form. This is why a $20 SRT-4 can slightly outrun a Z. Turbo is the easy way out of things. Now take a look at VERY WELL tuned NA engines. The most straightforward example is the S54 engine found in E46 M3's. It basically owns the the VQ, hands down. Increasing volume and adding turbos is the easy way to squeeze out horsepower. THe S54 does neither. It takes a 3.2L I6 and throws down more than 100hp/L. And it revs passed 8000rpm to boot. Unless you add a lot of money, the VQ is not capable of this.
If you examine all the exotics cars, they are mostly NA, with the exception of Porsche 911's, which are heavy in my opinion. The current 997 with the x51 power package puts down 381hp with its 3.8L flat 6. INSANE. This is real world tuning. Be sure to check out the specs on the Enzo, F430, Carrera GT, Gallardo, and Muciellego while you're at it. All NA.
Finally, I'll leave off with the M-series vs AMG rivalry. Mercedes concentrates only on adding huge brakes, superchargers and turbos, and adjusted suspensions on their AMG versions. BMW chooses only select cars to tune, and adds VERY HIGH performance NA engines. The new V10 in the E60 M5 is insane (thing redlines at 8k+rpm). The M5 eats the boosted CLS 55 all day.
Moral of the story: boost is the cheap way out. Efficient, high revving NA engines are MUCH harder to come by and represent much higher terms of performance.
It's the trendy, and hip thing to do. It's a relatively cheap way of making your engine much more powerful than it will ever be in NA form. This is why a $20 SRT-4 can slightly outrun a Z. Turbo is the easy way out of things. Now take a look at VERY WELL tuned NA engines. The most straightforward example is the S54 engine found in E46 M3's. It basically owns the the VQ, hands down. Increasing volume and adding turbos is the easy way to squeeze out horsepower. THe S54 does neither. It takes a 3.2L I6 and throws down more than 100hp/L. And it revs passed 8000rpm to boot. Unless you add a lot of money, the VQ is not capable of this.
If you examine all the exotics cars, they are mostly NA, with the exception of Porsche 911's, which are heavy in my opinion. The current 997 with the x51 power package puts down 381hp with its 3.8L flat 6. INSANE. This is real world tuning. Be sure to check out the specs on the Enzo, F430, Carrera GT, Gallardo, and Muciellego while you're at it. All NA.
Finally, I'll leave off with the M-series vs AMG rivalry. Mercedes concentrates only on adding huge brakes, superchargers and turbos, and adjusted suspensions on their AMG versions. BMW chooses only select cars to tune, and adds VERY HIGH performance NA engines. The new V10 in the E60 M5 is insane (thing redlines at 8k+rpm). The M5 eats the boosted CLS 55 all day.
Moral of the story: boost is the cheap way out. Efficient, high revving NA engines are MUCH harder to come by and represent much higher terms of performance.
I AGREE WITH THIS MAN...
Originally Posted by EdgeOfSanity
i can't decide whether or not i want to explain why you're an idiot.
Doh! Wrong forum.
I'm not a moderator here!
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I would love to have an all motor z beast. On a track that linear throttle response will be tons of fun and give you greater control over boosted cars. In the end the turbo's will still blow past you in the straights tho. Not to mention how expensive getting some good n/a gains are.
