give me which ST to buy?
well if you have plans for going big and blowing your motor or want to go ahead and build your motor id say go with T-netics and boost it up but if you just wanna install dyno a have fun APS
Originally Posted by Zivman
so add another 500 for the injectors and another 100-150 for the fuel pump- no return style fuel setup (AAM or CJM) comes with either.
Though one could think about it this way, that quote from MIA was only a suggestion... You could mix and match for even lower...
Like still getting the 380 injectors, fuel pump, and EMS... But either stick with the 9 lb spring (which results in 8 psi), or for even less strain on anything... Change out for a lower spring then tune accordingly. You would not need to have a fuel return, and cheaper injectors... Yet still leaving alot of room for easy upgrading.
Though once again a suggestion, I don't want or like to get cought up in any my kit is better than your kit... Cause that is just silly and ghey... We are all grown here (and not saying we are starting something like that, but one can never be to careful to avoid such a thing)
Oh and Merry Christmas to ya'll
Personally, I'd probably go with the TN with EU or UTEC, AAM or CJM fuel return system, 500cc injectors, and an APS oil pan. I'd ask for a discount for the price of the included ECU reflash also, if possible.
If APS released a single turbo tuner kit, I'd opt for it instead though.
If APS released a single turbo tuner kit, I'd opt for it instead though.
Well Zivman since you are so big on not spreading internet lies go ahead and give me the flow data, pressure loss, and heat exchanging capacity of the APS included intercooler. Oh that right you dont have any. The Spearco intercooler included with the Turbonetics kit is more then adequate for more boost then he is even going to run. Less then 1 PSI drop across the core and flows more then enough CFM. Luckily I have actually seen the flow numbers for the Turbonetics intercooler. I doubt very much you can say the same about yours...My vote, Turbonetics tuner kit, 440s, EU or Unichip and AAM or CJM fuel system.For the same money you get a better fuel system hands down, big enough injectors for mid 400s, the power you want, and tuneabililty.
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Well Zivman since you are so big on not spreading internet lies go ahead and give me the flow data, pressure loss, and heat exchanging capacity of the APS included intercooler. Oh that right you dont have any. The Spearco intercooler included with the Turbonetics kit is more then adequate for more boost then he is even going to run. Less then 1 PSI drop across the core and flows more then enough CFM. Luckily I have actually seen the flow numbers for the Turbonetics intercooler. I doubt very much you can say the same about yours...My vote, Turbonetics tuner kit, 440s, EU or Unichip and AAM or CJM fuel system.For the same money you get a better fuel system hands down, big enough injectors for mid 400s, the power you want, and tuneabililty.
I definitely like that idea...and am considering it for the new Z this time around
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Well Zivman since you are so big on not spreading internet lies go ahead and give me the flow data, pressure loss, and heat exchanging capacity of the APS included intercooler. Oh that right you dont have any. The Spearco intercooler included with the Turbonetics kit is more then adequate for more boost then he is even going to run. Less then 1 PSI drop across the core and flows more then enough CFM. Luckily I have actually seen the flow numbers for the Turbonetics intercooler. I doubt very much you can say the same about yours...My vote, Turbonetics tuner kit, 440s, EU or Unichip and AAM or CJM fuel system.For the same money you get a better fuel system hands down, big enough injectors for mid 400s, the power you want, and tuneabililty.
APS FMIC:
"25” x 9” x 3.5” core, at 650 hp flywheel, the pressure drop is less than 1.0 psi. At the same turbocharger flow conditions, the intercooler outlet temperature is less than 15°F higher than ambient, at any vehicle speed over 50mph"
You can post specs on the TN FMIC
blackend, can you give us more info about the tuner situ over in uae? from what i've read, the tuner is equally as important as the kit, if not more. the only tuner you've mentioned so far is a unichip dealer.
zboy
how are you?,see we have unchip Experunes tuners+they have dyno in there Garuage.and they have done alot of tune for 350zturbonetic with unichip.
other shops they have EU but when they tune the car during driving and they dont have dyno.
other shops they have EU but when they tune the car during driving and they dont have dyno.
Last edited by blackend; Dec 25, 2005 at 12:20 AM.
Originally Posted by Zivman
You would be a fool to choose TN <- MY OPINION
But I guess you can insult other people that you don't even know just cause you don't like another turbo kit that they own or like... Man that would be like hating someone just because they own a different exhaust or intake...
But I guess that is your opinion
Originally Posted by Peking
Well considering the amount of folks who own (and post here) that own the Turbonetics Single Turbo Kit, that is alot of folks to be calling a fool
But I guess you can insult other people that you don't even know just cause you don't like another turbo kit that they own or like... Man that would be like hating someone just because they own a different exhaust or intake...
But I guess that is your opinion
But I guess you can insult other people that you don't even know just cause you don't like another turbo kit that they own or like... Man that would be like hating someone just because they own a different exhaust or intake...
But I guess that is your opinion
I have installed two separate APS turbo setups. One TT, one ST. NOTHING on the APS setups has made me even consider another setup. That said, after reading about the TN setup and knowing the setup via the install instructions, I have no reason to choose another kit let alone a TN setup.
Let's just say, that the prices were the same (assuming you buy a tunable EMS, 440 injectors, fuel pump, oil pan, return style fuel setup, etc for the TN)
I still would not choose the TN. I don't like the placement of the turbo, the reuse of the maf housing, the routing of the exhaust piping, 3" DP on the TN vs 3.5" APS ST, and the APS FMIC >TN FMIC (even if it is just in looks alone). Alll those are reasons for me to look STRAIGHT passed the TN setup.
I can compare things like the FMIC mounting brackets or the relocation of the PS cooler and know APS is much more refined, complete, and higher quality.
I have not seen the exhaust or IC/intake piping on the TN first hand, but I am willing to bet the quality on the APS exceeds that of the TN as well.
Just because a lot of people bought the kit, doesn't mean anything. I think A LOT of people are not quite as informed about the kits, nor taken as much time researching them as I have. Add to that they were mislead into believing the TN was a complete 'turn key' FI solution....which we all come to know it isn't.
From the reading I have done, install on the two kits is very comparable:
10-14 hrs on the TN
12-18 hrs on the APS
You can take that as you may, really I have no stake in any companies ST nor do I feel I need to defend either side because I own neither ST setup. I run the APS TT setup, which is a much different kit than either.
how bout this Both of the kits are awesome
tn is not better than APS
aps is not better than TN
it all depends on what you want to do
If you gonna tune it,blow motor, build, and high boost, i say TN
If you just gonna put it in, dyno, tune, and play, i say APS
tn is not better than APS
aps is not better than TN
it all depends on what you want to do
If you gonna tune it,blow motor, build, and high boost, i say TN
If you just gonna put it in, dyno, tune, and play, i say APS
The sad thing is, I posted up about a dozen reasons I wouldn't recommend the TN kit. Not even mentioning anything about detonation or blown motors related to the kit and people will still question my reasoning.