go supercharger first then turbo

 

ouch

if its one thing i learned about being around maxima's for years upon years..

you buy a supercharger when you are scared of power and short on cash

 

Whatever system you decide to go with, look into an HKS or Greddy flux capacitor, will make set-up much more reliable and aid with tuning.....

www.idontknow$hitaboutcars.com has them on sale

 

IMO none of the publications - SPEED magazine or sport Z magazine or any of the others give a full complete accurate picture of all the FI setups - the older articles were back when there wasn't a lot of things out for the Z yet and not as much of a knowledgebase.

The newer articles are better, but can be skewed in that some of the turbo cars didn't have enough traction and can be made to look slower at certain types of driving than superchargers where they'd otherwise normally be better at like 1/4 mile runs.

These days, people with turbos run certain tire setups that do give them traction etc.

These days the vortech can make some pretty decent power in the 400-450whp range where before it peaked at 350whp just cause the fuel system and engine management is more sorted out.

Each FI kit has strengths and weaknesses and there's a LOT more to consider than the sheer dyno sheet numbers

 

general info i've gathered from a few years on here:

SC
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cheaper
less TQ and good HP high up near redline
potentially less engine issues
squeeky pullies/belts
easier install
usually considered superior for track events

T and TT
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usually more $
can make TONS of power
makes it power in mid-to high range usually
alot of TQ and HP
can cost alot to install and tune
requires more car mods to have fully functional (i.e. not just any header or CP) possible tranny upgrade if power is too high
turbo lag
good for straight line

 

Go ride in a supercharged Z/G and then ride in a ST, and finally a TT. After you had riden in all 3 set ups make your own decision. Once you decided between what FI system(s/c, ST, or TT) you like the most and what best suits your need then compare what's available from the manufacturers and make up your own mind. Everyone is going to tell you to go with what they have on their car, but that might not suit your needs and/or may not fall within your budget.

 

in my opinion, the APS twin turbo kit is the best standard forced inducton kit for the 350Z. In terms of power, completeness, and safety. Among other things, it has an excellent fuel system up to 500 wheel hp and the other standard kits skimp on this aspect - and it is more dangerous to skimp on the the fuel system. If you want to save money, go APS single turbo.

 

Good luck with your information gathering, I have been doing it for 2 months now, and I still feel that I have a long way to go before making any decisions.

 

You know you aren't right for that!!! You might as well told him to decipher DaVinci's code..

Seriously, I suggest you do as Gman2004 suggested and try and get a ride in as many FI Z's as you can. Not for funs sake but to determine the kind of control over the car you desire AND can handle. High WHP FI cars are not for everyone. SC and TT (or ST J/K) cars react very differently. Turbo cars take a lot of getting use to and command respect as far as pedal play is concerned. Essentially, you need to pay attention not only to your car but to the conditions you are driving in. I remember cruising home in 25 degree weather from work in my BPU Supra and that **** scared me straight.

Suffice it to say, with high WHP comes great respnosibility!!!

 

I will agree with you that APS make a great kit that is complete out of the box, but just because you have to buy other components for the other TT kits to make them complete does not make them inferior. If you were to just install them without extra the needed parts then maybe, but after all said and done when you buy the missing parts (fuel system) you will end up with better parts then the APS brings out of the box (AAM or CJM>APS fuel system).

 

im in ny if you want to check out my sc Z a know a guy with a JWT TT G also im in yonkers i duno where is the mountain you speak of...

 

took me about 8 months before I really started getting a good grasp on most of the issues at hand.

There's a lot of things I like about different kits and I wish I could have all the best qualities of all of them, but oh well. You end up picking the kit that seems to fit the best with what you want or can afford

 

saying that turbo makes a lot more power than SC is not true. It all depends on the boost. If you ramain stock engine internals then maximum boost must not go over 8psi. with that you will get 350-360 whp with SC and 360-370 whp with turbo. No way in hell you will get 400+ whp and more with Turbo or with anything that gives 8psi.
Sc: cheaper, will go with no modifications like headers etc...., low maintenance, high reliability, quick response as you step on it ,.power starts early and and goes up to redline
Turbo: more expensive since you need many other mods with it, harder to install, more prone to problems like leakage,turbo lag, the only advantage is that it gives more midrange power and torque, you will have a faster car.
it all depends on the money you have.
SC: Vortech, Stillen
Turbo: APS, Turbonetics, Greddy

 

well you can reach 400whp on a bone stock car with the APS TT (it's been done locally where I live), but I wouldn't want to run that setup at all....big heat build up with the stock cats and exhaust

 

 

you can if you have cams, port/polished/5 angle valve job, plenum, 3" exhaust, 3" test pipes, and custom dump tubes. I made 480whp with my chitty greddy tt on a dynopack @ only 8psi when I was using the EU as my EMS.

 

I run the ATI at 9 psi on my stock internals 5AT Z and it's making 367 RWHP (with a lousy tune, that is, the car can't be tuned good enough with the standard included Aeromative EFMC). I'm sure that with the pending UTEC install, a good tuner can squeeze that up close too 400.

Too bad I decided to go 14psi and built motor else I could've let you know how much I got out of the fine-tuned 9psi SC...

Danny

 

then you spend the time to answer the same question day in and day out.

forums are a place of information....and that means there are archives for a reason.

 

Dr.G,
You seem to be beating this debate to death . In this thread as well as another one. Anyone making the decision on what type system to buy based solely on how much power it makes only wants to look good on paper (generalized statement). There are a lot of experienced FI Z cats on here who have made their decisions based on the performance goals they sought. Some track, some 1/4 mile, some straight line runners. That's them, and that's what they wanted. True indeed they will defend their set-up for what THEY'RE using it for if tested on it, but for the most part they support the FI Z community as a whole.

So in essence, though this gentleman is a newb, please don't turn his thread into a debate over turbo or SC. Everyone on here has a story to tell, yet it's hard enough for a newb to pick through all the BS and bickering, hence the million posts on which system is better. I've been on here long enough to know who's advice to follow and whom to ignore, both SC and Turbo. Great group of fellas with a wealth of knowledge on the VQ if they didn't have to respond to posts like these.

So please, offer constructive advice as opposed to dissin' everyone that decide against what you have intsalled in YOUR Z.

Are we cool? I mean no disrespect but I get tired of having money saved in the bank, ready for FI, searching for the best system based on the testimonies here only to have to weed through subsequent posts because one crew is dissing another.

 

You sir, are a moron. I'm willing to bet, at 8psi, I'm making 390-400whp right now. Last I saw, the stillen SC kit is expensive as hell, lol. And stillens power craps out up top, that's the nature of a roots blower.