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yeah Dr. G, some of that isn't quite right with what you said.
I don't think any particular kit should be recommended to the thread starter in this thread. He needs to spend some time finding out for himself what kit fits his needs. It's all pros and cons, what type of driving you do and how much $ you have
I don't think any particular kit should be recommended to the thread starter in this thread. He needs to spend some time finding out for himself what kit fits his needs. It's all pros and cons, what type of driving you do and how much $ you have
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Originally Posted by sentry65
yeah Dr. G, some of that isn't quite right with what you said.
I don't think any particular kit should be recommended to the thread starter in this thread. He needs to spend some time finding out for himself what kit fits his needs. It's all pros and cons, what type of driving you do and how much $ you have
I don't think any particular kit should be recommended to the thread starter in this thread. He needs to spend some time finding out for himself what kit fits his needs. It's all pros and cons, what type of driving you do and how much $ you have
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Originally Posted by atlsupdawg#2
Dr.G,
You seem to be beating this debate to death
. In this thread as well as another one. Anyone making the decision on what type system to buy based solely on how much power it makes only wants to look good on paper (generalized statement). There are a lot of experienced FI Z cats on here who have made their decisions based on the performance goals they sought. Some track, some 1/4 mile, some straight line runners. That's them, and that's what they wanted. True indeed they will defend their set-up for what THEY'RE using it for if tested on it, but for the most part they support the FI Z community as a whole.
So in essence, though this gentleman is a newb, please don't turn his thread into a debate over turbo or SC. Everyone on here has a story to tell, yet it's hard enough for a newb to pick through all the BS and bickering, hence the million posts on which system is better. I've been on here long enough to know who's advice to follow and whom to ignore, both SC and Turbo. Great group of fellas with a wealth of knowledge on the VQ if they didn't have to respond to posts like these.
So please, offer constructive advice as opposed to dissin' everyone that decide against what you have intsalled in YOUR Z.
Are we cool? I mean no disrespect but I get tired of having money saved in the bank, ready for FI, searching for the best system based on the testimonies here only to have to weed through subsequent posts because one crew is dissing another.
You seem to be beating this debate to death
. In this thread as well as another one. Anyone making the decision on what type system to buy based solely on how much power it makes only wants to look good on paper (generalized statement). There are a lot of experienced FI Z cats on here who have made their decisions based on the performance goals they sought. Some track, some 1/4 mile, some straight line runners. That's them, and that's what they wanted. True indeed they will defend their set-up for what THEY'RE using it for if tested on it, but for the most part they support the FI Z community as a whole.So in essence, though this gentleman is a newb, please don't turn his thread into a debate over turbo or SC. Everyone on here has a story to tell, yet it's hard enough for a newb to pick through all the BS and bickering, hence the million posts on which system is better. I've been on here long enough to know who's advice to follow and whom to ignore, both SC and Turbo. Great group of fellas with a wealth of knowledge on the VQ if they didn't have to respond to posts like these.
So please, offer constructive advice as opposed to dissin' everyone that decide against what you have intsalled in YOUR Z.
Are we cool? I mean no disrespect but I get tired of having money saved in the bank, ready for FI, searching for the best system based on the testimonies here only to have to weed through subsequent posts because one crew is dissing another.
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Originally Posted by sentry65
well you can reach 400whp on a bone stock car with the APS TT (it's been done locally where I live), but I wouldn't want to run that setup at all....big heat build up with the stock cats and exhaust
Originally Posted by Dr.G
don't misunderstand me, iam 45 yrs old and rich mother...er and owned a whole lot of cars turbos and SC. i do not prefer SC at all , it all depends if you want headaches or not and on your money. i do not want people to be disappointed by claims that 8 psi gives them 450whp or so this is engineering wise impossible i repeat IF you keep STOCK INTERNALS. to get close to 400 whp you need at least 9psi: 400whp with the z means close to 480-500 hp at flywheel your Z as a two wheel drive becomes impossible to drive and thus you will spend more money on suspension upgrade, wheels and tires etc...
If you're that rich, go buy yourself a clue.
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This is from Turbomagazine.com: www.turbomagazine.com or www.turbozmagazine.com something like that anyways this text is cut from their testing of the turbonetics 8psi:
In our Dyno Cell testing the 350Z pumped out a generous 365.6 whp at 8 psi, the most we have seen from an "as-delivered" boost package for the Z. On the torque side we witnessed 355.3 lb-ft at peak. But looking beyond the peak we were impressed by the torque curve as it eclipsed 300 lb-ft at 3600 rpm and stayed there until the pull ceased at around 6300 rpm. Checking the power curve the VQ35DE belted out 250 hp to the wheels at a low 4000 rpm and tracked predictably to its peak. The kit is tuned well with the enhanced ECU providing a rock solid 11:1 air/fuel ratio throughout the run.
At $5,595 the Turbonetics kit is a boosted bargain that delivers big power, a reliable-looking air/fuel curve and an easy installation regime. It's a win-win scenario.
In our Dyno Cell testing the 350Z pumped out a generous 365.6 whp at 8 psi, the most we have seen from an "as-delivered" boost package for the Z. On the torque side we witnessed 355.3 lb-ft at peak. But looking beyond the peak we were impressed by the torque curve as it eclipsed 300 lb-ft at 3600 rpm and stayed there until the pull ceased at around 6300 rpm. Checking the power curve the VQ35DE belted out 250 hp to the wheels at a low 4000 rpm and tracked predictably to its peak. The kit is tuned well with the enhanced ECU providing a rock solid 11:1 air/fuel ratio throughout the run.
At $5,595 the Turbonetics kit is a boosted bargain that delivers big power, a reliable-looking air/fuel curve and an easy installation regime. It's a win-win scenario.
Dr.G
So you think your smart because you read a worthless article? You said Turbo Z's cant hit 400wh p@ 8psi, maybe not a ST, but TT's no problem. I have seen tons of tuned Greddy kits with other mods running 400+whp at 8psi, again Dr. G please just stop posting BS and misinformation and 
So you think your smart because you read a worthless article? You said Turbo Z's cant hit 400wh p@ 8psi, maybe not a ST, but TT's no problem. I have seen tons of tuned Greddy kits with other mods running 400+whp at 8psi, again Dr. G please just stop posting BS and misinformation and
I bet I could hit 400whp at 8psi with a freer flowing exhaust than the Nismo I'm currently running............
anyways, Dr.G......you are a fugging moron and you fail to provide any evidence of any of your retarded claims.
I think I speak for everyone when I say
or just stop posting.
anyways, Dr.G......you are a fugging moron and you fail to provide any evidence of any of your retarded claims.
I think I speak for everyone when I say
or just stop posting.
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Originally Posted by Dr.G
don't misunderstand me, iam 45 yrs old and rich mother...er and owned a whole lot of cars turbos and SC. i do not prefer SC at all , it all depends if you want headaches or not and on your money. i do not want people to be disappointed by claims that 8 psi gives them 450whp or so this is engineering wise impossible i repeat IF you keep STOCK INTERNALS. to get close to 400 whp you need at least 9psi: 400whp with the z means close to 480-500 hp at flywheel your Z as a two wheel drive becomes impossible to drive and thus you will spend more money on suspension upgrade, wheels and tires etc...
Originally Posted by sentry65
if you have more breathing mods - cams, test pipes, exhaust, you can reach higher whp with less boost though right?
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APS themselves claim 427 whp with 9.2psi in their testing facilities with all other mods. their production kit is 8psi. Exhaust , cams , etc.... will not themselves give you that much hp they will optimize your power for the same intake of air and fuel. Mods like exhaust are used so you can allow your engine to burn more fuel and air. Conservation of Energy: More fuel /air burning = more power and mods are used to optimize that equation.
Last edited by Dr.G; Apr 21, 2006 at 12:23 PM.
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Originally Posted by chimmike
I bet I could hit 400whp at 8psi with a freer flowing exhaust than the Nismo I'm currently running............
anyways, Dr.G......you are a fugging moron and you fail to provide any evidence of any of your retarded claims.
I think I speak for everyone when I say or just stop posting.
anyways, Dr.G......you are a fugging moron and you fail to provide any evidence of any of your retarded claims.
I think I speak for everyone when I say
or just stop posting.
Originally Posted by Dr.G
you might also loose with a freer flowing exhaust.
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[QUOTE=chimmike]You really think so? I'm glad you make mention of this, it just proves you don't know what the hell you're talking about other than what you regurgitate from seeing other places on the web. [/QUOT
with turbo it is better to reduce backpressure to tha max. with SC not nessecarily you might loose torque .free flowing exhaust is good to an extent after that its just noise like the noise you do. and with the exhaust you have there is not much room for reducing backpressure.so do not expect any gains
[/QUOTwith turbo it is better to reduce backpressure to tha max. with SC not nessecarily you might loose torque .free flowing exhaust is good to an extent after that its just noise like the noise you do. and with the exhaust you have there is not much room for reducing backpressure.so do not expect any gains
Last edited by Dr.G; Apr 21, 2006 at 01:08 PM.
Originally Posted by Dr.G
with turbo it is better to reduce backpressure to tha max. with SC not nessecarily you might loose torque .free flowing exhaust is good to an extent after that its just noise like the noise you do. and with the exhaust you have there is not much room for reducing backpressure.so do not expect any gains
lol! Nice edit. you went from an insult to trying to make an informative post at 5:08 after you were able to look up some information elsewhere on the web!
just stop posting.
with a SC you need to balance your pressure going in with the ability to let it out if you want the best balance of hp up high and tq down low. Otherwise you get more hp and less tq or visa-versa
well... me being a newly force inducted driver (turbo) i have to tell you...in my opinion the turbo is the way to go!