i didn't mean the hoseclamp kit guy, i meant this other neon guy.

 

whats wrong with his kit? Yes he could've used better clamps on his hoses, but honestly, is that all you have? Because i'm fine with that. I would absolutely rock that kit, IF, it cost less then about $3000.

I also would like to know what you actually dyno'd because i cant read the numbers from that pic.

I think the kit looks clean, and if you wouldnt mind going over your setup, that would be awesome!

 

just keep in mind that my car was a test car. i have the first kit installed. there have been some changes to the kit from what i have been told. i'm not sure of the changes but, i will know in july when i return up there for them to look over the kit. i'm not going to get into a pissing match but, the turbo used on my kit is alittle more than what turbonectics uses. and that's not taking anything away from turbonectics kit. both kits make similar power numbers.

 

thanks for the help damen. i really like the way the kit looks, and it seems like its very respectable. I would consider the drive, as conneticut is a nice drive from where i am in southeastern ma.

 

its always a pissing match with u turbonetics guys, lol.. turbonetics are known fo the worst honda kits around :P without competition, there is not innovation. without innovation there is no competition.

MIA: The guage of steel used on the exhaust manifold cannot be mandrel bent. If u look at every custom exhaust manifold that is worth any money - espically a topmount like that, many bends and joins will need to be made. That said, the professional manufacturers of stainless manifolds will use robotic tig welds to eleviate the user-error while welding.

 

Oh and a side not for all the non-beleivers. a equal length manifold using balenced runners can yeild over 50whp over a standard log manifold/stock header configuration used in ALL the turbo kits around here.

 

Really? That's funny, because I gained maybe 10whp peak with equal length headers on my kit. Of course I was on the reflash, but it also hurt my midrange power. I think that's arguable at best, but also depends on MANY factors. "50 whp" is too much of a blanket claim.

I really could personally care less what happens on hondas. Show me gians on the vq35.

 

Ever heard of Drag Honda kits? Those are the worst. Regardless heres a pic of a manifold with runner usning mandrel bent SS321. Again why cant you use a mandrel bender on manifold runner? Oh you can....McMaster Carr sells hundreds of mandrel bent SS3XX tubing in various angles, bends, lenths, etc. Various size gauging too. This isn't my first time around the block either.

 

wow, miaplaya, who makes those, and how do i get them?!!!

 

how exactly would you run two EQUAL LENGTH units to a single turbo setup in the 350z? Where would you place the turbo to accomplish this?

I know what you're saying and I know it's true, but you can't compare running a log vs equal length on an SR20 or inline motor with a V6 single turbo setup unless you're able to place the turbo EXACTLY in the middle somewhere so that the lenghts on the piping can be equal.

BTW, equal length can't touch the efficiency of a pulse converter design.

 

With quamens custom turbo kit, his manifold were pretty close to equal length if i remember correctly. He had the turbo placed in front, right in the middle, with custom manifolds facing forward. It was an interesting set-up to say the least!

 

Those are SpeedForce Racing SS321 manifolds... check www.speedforceracing.com

 

I'm pretty sure it wasn't in the middle because that is the guy that was runnin a T72 or something on a stock block.

 

I said 'can yeild'. That is NOT a blanket claim. Engine dynamics are universal across the board though. The reason EL manifolds make more power isnt rocket science, and i am not going to hold ur hand - google.

This is exactly my point. You have NO idea how much more efficent these kits can be made, because you think that the pinicle of evolution is turbonetics! EL manifolds can curl and spin and whatever. They do not have to meet in any specific place in the engine bay. Take a look at the GTR's/supra's and whatever that run twin setup's - plenty of EL manifolds which gain lots of power over standard designs. U can run twin EL manifolds, or u could design a EL, or even split pulse, single manifold and a twin scroll turbo setup. There are even differences between topmount and bottom mount manifold power outputs. One of the most import aspects of a good turbo manifold is the merge collector design! Gettting the gas to flow well aids in more ways then just spooling a turbo.

Basially im not trying to start anything here. All i am trying to say is dont knock people down for trying new things. This scene is so new, u wont even beleive how far it will come over the next 5 years.

FMAX/Turbonetics have a worse reputation. The drag manifolds are great peices of work. Place the turbo well, allow for larger turbos to be used and make decent power + are heeps durable. Either way, both kits quite average use Turbonetics parts. The wastegates are known for there boost creep (its funny cause the same issue has lead to many dead vg35de's) - and the turbo's are known for leaking oil.

I was thinking u were implyin single peice, unwelded mandrel bent runners. Those manifolds are exactly the same as what was shown in the original post - using CNC mandrel bends cut and welded. Only difference is slighter angles were used.



PS. I am not bashing TN. Stop getting so defensive guys. The same can be said about APS or any other turbo kit on the market. They do the job, but why does that mean people should stop trying to do it better?



That is quite a well designed setup. Wastegate merged on a 45'-30' angle, althought placement on the manifold isnt optimal due to spce constraints, thick EL runner deisgn, CNC'd merge collector. Very functional!

 

Maybe the old Civic kits had some issues however they did use the Deltagate wastegate which has since been ditched in favor of the Evoltion. I think anyone you ask who has switched from the Deltagate to the Evolution would tell you boost creep was eliminated.

 

Yep true. Even though i currently run a deltagate on my setup and have never had issues with it! Rock solid

 

The funny thing is it seems to be a toss up. Some have no issues with the Deltagate where as others have tons of issues till they switch to the Evolution. I think the permanent switch to the Evolution is a good thing.

 

I used a deltagate on the 240sx and had no problems. Dont think i would buy another, but i did get rather lucky for a while.

Thanks for the link to that manifold!