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Old 06-16-2006, 02:50 PM
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Default JWT Oil Spacer with drain?

Originally Posted by chimmike

Don't have to punch a hole in anything, buy the JWT oil pan spacer. BAM, problem solved.
All I've found on the web so far is the JWT spacer without and oil drain, is it available somewhere with the oil drain and not as part of a kit?
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LOL, I guess my exhaust is just louder... (can't stand next to the car on the dyno because of the exhaust at WOT. Invidia G200, downpipes with resonators, ceramic headers)

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Originally Posted by 35ounces
Now I don't believe anything you say It's frickin LOUD. Sounds like a Jet engine even at idle. Of course, some people really like the sound. That aside, the FMU is not great. If your going ATI, get yourself a fuel system and a EMS (UTEC or EU) and you will make good power safely.

Good luck with whatever you do.
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Originally Posted by sentry65
personally, if I ever built a high whp car, it'd be AWD with a turbo. Otherwise the power only becomes useful at higher speeds like on the highway with a RWD car. It starts becoming harder and harder to control a RWD car with high hp even with drag radials. AWD seems like the ideal setup for high hp cars unless ...
Yeah AWD, but then where is the fun ?
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hehe well as far as having fun in a RWD car, you don't need 500+whp for that. At some point you cross the threshold of fun into scary

400whp or even less is plenty enough to have fun with drifting the car around
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Originally Posted by bobstaff147
All I've found on the web so far is the JWT spacer without and oil drain, is it available somewhere with the oil drain and not as part of a kit?
I think people just tap that. But AAM makes a really nice one too that is already tapped for you.
http://www.alteredatmosphere.com/mm5..._Code=350Z_ENG

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Originally Posted by 35ounces
I think people just tap that. But AAM makes a really nice one too that is already tapped for you.
http://www.alteredatmosphere.com/mm5..._Code=350Z_ENG
Exactly, I am suprised that people forgot to throw this in sooner.

35ounces FTW
Old 06-16-2006, 05:48 PM
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Great find on the AAM spacer

I am still torn between the Procharger and Turbonetics.

I am going to talk to my buddy who is doing the install and see what he thinks.

Howard
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I hate to complicate things, but....

Would the AAM spacer work with a Vortech supercharger

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Originally Posted by yell03
I hate to complicate things, but....

Would the AAM spacer work with a Vortech supercharger

Howard
I'd assumed so since that's the application I have in mind. I cannot imagine why it would not, but would like to hear from someone it definitely will.
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i am running the procharger and i love it.. i think you will be happy and pleased with the performance either kit puts out. try to get a ride in a ST and SC car then pick.. you have had plenty of sc cars maby time 4 a change.. all that said at minimum i would UTEC either kit also return lines and i wouldnt stress out of the box performance or completeness so much.. full potential on stock block i think eatch kit would give the other a good run 4 the $
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the AAM spacer is a JWT spacer with their own oil return line IIRC.
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Originally Posted by chimmike
the AAM spacer is a JWT spacer with their own oil return line IIRC.
AAM actually machines their own spacer, its similar to the JWT in that it does the same thing, but its machined in house at AAM and like you mentioned has the pre tapped fittings and comes with their line kit if you choose to buy that as well.
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Are any Turbo kits 49 state LEGAL.

I know the Vortech, Procharger, and Stillen superchargers are.

This is very important around here in PA.

Howard
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Originally Posted by bobstaff147
I'd assumed so since that's the application I have in mind. I cannot imagine why it would not, but would like to hear from someone it definitely will.
I have both and yes they work together..
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jpc350z -

Cool, thanks.

I called Vortech today.

They actually have a Supercharger system for the 2005 350Z with the 287hp engine (like mine).

What is REALLY cool is:

I can buy a wiring harness from superchargersonline.com for $279

I can buy the AAM spacer for $149

and a local dealer will sell me the Vortech for $4700.

TOTAL = $5128

With an install and a dyno-pull = $6000 total

Of course I can just buy the Procharger for $4700 and not need the harness or spacer, but I don't have any tuning besides the FMU on the dyno.

I should change my THREAD to Procharger or Vortech at this point

Howard
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You really should consider Tuning on a Dyno not just a Dyno..The kit is fuel rich out of the box and power can be had with some tuning of the fuel maps in the Split Second piggy back unit..
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Originally Posted by jpc350z
You really should consider Tuning on a Dyno not just a Dyno..The kit is fuel rich out of the box and power can be had with some tuning of the fuel maps in the Split Second piggy back unit..
+1 TUNE IT !
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This is a great thread that I found and I am in the same boat as you yell03! I have been reading a lot of posts and I have narrowed it down to these two superchargers.

On that note I have always believe in the statement you are only as good and your tunning is. Which can provide a great daily driver or a track monster depending on what you want but when it comes down to it you want your system to be reliable and cutting corners with tunning just hurts in the long run! Thus I am also going to begin researching the EMS.
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I spoke to a well respected Vendor today about my choices.

He actually told me not to tap in to the oil pan spacer if I do the Vortech, but rather to tap where the factory recommends, I think it is because the spacer is too high and oil starvation to the blower could be the result.

I really do not want to tap the oil pan.

He also said all the kits were pretty safe out of the box (under 380rwhp).

His recommendations based on ease of install and reliability were Turbonetics, Procharger, and Stillen.
He also said the Vortech was great, but the Split Second box needs to be tuned out of the box for an extra 50rwhp and not to tap the spacer.

He said the Procharger was pretty easy to tune and as long as you don't go for more boost and is safe out of the box as long as you run it on the rich side -11:1-11.5:1
He recommended a wideband a/f and a boost gauge to keep an eye on things.

With a Procharger, I would most likely adjust my tunes in the winter where you need more fuel to compensate for better air.

Right now I am leaning towards the Procharger, FOR TODAY!

Howard
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Hmm interesting, I was thinking about the Procharger myself, I like the "self contained oiling system" that eliminates the need for tapping anything. But I got a good deal on a Vortech so I went with that Curious about the oil tap location, would buying an APS/PE oil pan fix this potential problem maybe? I for one dont want to tap into the stock oil pan, unless I have a spare around. +1 for tuning on a dyno, Im going to save up for that. Keep us updated on your choice!


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