JE Pistons gone bad...
06-30-2006, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chimmike
I think the problem was more with you running 10.5:1 compression with FI than the pistons.......even though that is strange, 10.5:1 with boost=not the smartest.
07-02-2006, 05:20 PM
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JE is nowhere near the quality of a CP or Arias piston..F/I builds should ONLY use CP or Arias pistons and Crower or Pauter rods..We stay away from the flimsy stuff like Ross and Eagle.
07-02-2006, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Weqster
low comp. pfft. High-comp turbo is where its at.
07-03-2006, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chimmike
I hope you plan on running c16 all day 
We're talking 35psi her eon 11.5:1
Methanol and alot of it.
07-03-2006, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
JE is nowhere near the quality of a CP or Arias piston..F/I builds should ONLY use CP or Arias pistons and Crower or Pauter rods..We stay away from the flimsy stuff like Ross and Eagle.
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07-03-2006, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanners
LOL.. thats that would be good enough!
We're talking 35psi her eon 11.5:1
Methanol and alot of it.
We're talking 35psi her eon 11.5:1
Methanol and alot of it.
sweet setup lol
07-03-2006, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JETPILOT
Do you have some factual info on the Eagle rods being sub par? What is your experience with them?
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07-03-2006, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mchapman
That doesnt tell us anything about them being sub par.
Trust me, we have built a few motors to realize to stay far away from Eagle rods on a "SERIOUS" car...
07-03-2006, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Then look at the picture of the skirt missing on his piston..Find me a pic of a CP or Arias in the same condition... Trust me, we have built a few motors to realize to stay far away from Eagle rods on a "SERIOUS" car...
Trust me, we have built a few motors to realize to stay far away from Eagle rods on a "SERIOUS" car...
)...or Pauter rods...Interested in your bias against eagle, is this based on any personal experience on the vq? anything to share that may give us a heads up on something you may have discovered? we have built several motors with eagle rods, they have worked great
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07-04-2006, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 350zDCalb
We are more than confident using the eagle rods on 550-600rwhp applications...anything higher, we recommend the GTM rods (light as an eagle, almost as strong as a pauter..gtm rods have been tested up to 350hp per rod and gt motorsports guarantees that the GTM rods will withstand up to 2000hp on the vq application )...or Pauter rods...
Interested in your bias against eagle, is this based on any personal experience on the vq? anything to share that may give us a heads up on something you may have discovered? we have built several motors with eagle rods, they have worked great
-TODD
)...or Pauter rods...Interested in your bias against eagle, is this based on any personal experience on the vq? anything to share that may give us a heads up on something you may have discovered? we have built several motors with eagle rods, they have worked great
-TODD
Our personal biased with eagle rods are based on our experiences in the GM world as well as with our engine builder.He refuses to use an Eagle rod and also a Cometic head gasket FWIW. Just that every time he used those two products, they failed.
Not saying Eagle rods are not ok rods, but my theory is, if you have the motor out and already apart,spend the few hundred $$$$ on a really superior set of rods like the Corillo H beams or Pauter. Would you not agree that those two rods are superior to the Eagle's that are available for the VQ?
I like to do things once and only once, and use top nothch parts from the start, and would never trust a rod rated at only 400-500hp...
07-04-2006, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Not saying Eagle rods are not ok rods, but my theory is, if you have the motor out and already apart,spend the few hundred $$$$ on a really superior set of rods like the Corillo H beams or Pauter. Would you not agree that those two rods are superior to the Eagle's that are available for the VQ?
I like to do things once and only once, and use top nothch parts from the start, and would never trust a rod rated at only 400-500hp...
I like to do things once and only once, and use top nothch parts from the start, and would never trust a rod rated at only 400-500hp...
No worries, not offened...
I agree that a rod like GTM rods are superior to eagle, but for someone who only wants 500-550 whp and never any more would be fine with eagle, we have all heard this arguement several times, 4 cylinder hondas making 800+whp...it would be more than safe to say that the eagle rods can handle over 150hp per rod (900 flywheel--not sure I'd like to be the first guy to test this high of a power number though
)Sam can chime in about the manufacturing of their rods...
-TODD
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Nothing meant to offend you, however each shop has personal preferences.We sell and install only the best, and IMO the best is not Eagle rods. Also GT motorsports rods are most likely manufactured by another rod company with years of rod making experience and not in house.But I could be wrong.
Our personal biased with eagle rods are based on our experiences in the GM world as well as with our engine builder.He refuses to use an Eagle rod and also a Cometic head gasket FWIW. Just that every time he used those two products, they failed.
Not saying Eagle rods are not ok rods, but my theory is, if you have the motor out and already apart,spend the few hundred $$$$ on a really superior set of rods like the Corillo H beams or Pauter. Would you not agree that those two rods are superior to the Eagle's that are available for the VQ?
I like to do things once and only once, and use top nothch parts from the start, and would never trust a rod rated at only 400-500hp...
Our personal biased with eagle rods are based on our experiences in the GM world as well as with our engine builder.He refuses to use an Eagle rod and also a Cometic head gasket FWIW. Just that every time he used those two products, they failed.
Not saying Eagle rods are not ok rods, but my theory is, if you have the motor out and already apart,spend the few hundred $$$$ on a really superior set of rods like the Corillo H beams or Pauter. Would you not agree that those two rods are superior to the Eagle's that are available for the VQ?
I like to do things once and only once, and use top nothch parts from the start, and would never trust a rod rated at only 400-500hp...
Sam
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07-04-2006, 09:42 AM
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GTM (Sam) co-owns a company in AU that manufactures the rods for sale in the USA. It's not outsourced to a generic rod manufacturer.
To this day, nobody has shown me one VQ35 forged motor that experienced rod failure. Eagle, Pauter, Carillo all have performed well. I think Todd brings up a good point, in that some customers are looking for a reasonable priced 500whp experience. In which case, there is no need to spend additional funds on fancy headwork, expensive rods, cams, and all the labor involved. Eagle rods will work just fine. Because the piston actually takes the brunt of the abuse, we almost always use the Extreme Duty Arias pistons, since they have proven practically unbreakable.
To this day, nobody has shown me one VQ35 forged motor that experienced rod failure. Eagle, Pauter, Carillo all have performed well. I think Todd brings up a good point, in that some customers are looking for a reasonable priced 500whp experience. In which case, there is no need to spend additional funds on fancy headwork, expensive rods, cams, and all the labor involved. Eagle rods will work just fine. Because the piston actually takes the brunt of the abuse, we almost always use the Extreme Duty Arias pistons, since they have proven practically unbreakable.
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
GTM (Sam) co-owns a company in AU that manufactures the rods for sale in the USA. It's not outsourced to a generic rod manufacturer.
To this day, nobody has shown me one VQ35 forged motor that experienced rod failure. Eagle, Pauter, Carillo all have performed well. I think Todd brings up a good point, in that some customers are looking for a reasonable priced 500whp experience. In which case, there is no need to spend additional funds on fancy headwork, expensive rods, cams, and all the labor involved. Eagle rods will work just fine. Because the piston actually takes the brunt of the abuse, we almost always use the Extreme Duty Arias pistons, since they have proven practically unbreakable.
To this day, nobody has shown me one VQ35 forged motor that experienced rod failure. Eagle, Pauter, Carillo all have performed well. I think Todd brings up a good point, in that some customers are looking for a reasonable priced 500whp experience. In which case, there is no need to spend additional funds on fancy headwork, expensive rods, cams, and all the labor involved. Eagle rods will work just fine. Because the piston actually takes the brunt of the abuse, we almost always use the Extreme Duty Arias pistons, since they have proven practically unbreakable.
It just does not make much sence to me both as a shop and as an enthusiest to try and cut corners with an "Economical" rod....Its just plain stupid IMO.