True. I dont know why ppl make the 360 such unbeatable car. they do 12.8-12.7 in the 1/4. so any 400whp Z with a decent driver should beat the 360. however, the 430 is another story.

 

ferrari handling > *

 

He's also gonna need suspension, wheels and tires and probably some driving lessons if he wants to beat it in anything more than a straight line. $20k+ neighborhood sounds about right.

 

IMO with low to mid 400 rwhp you should be able to beat it not by much but you should. what makes Ferrari so fast is their gearing the have very aggressive gearing and r also light. Your set up and tune must have good top end.

BTW the funny thing is that today I saw two at the hangouts and could have ran them dam im so stupid. O well hope this helps.

 

<----modena killer

 

the 360 and 430 have strong gearing, high rpms, and low torque/high hp along with the engine in the rear for traction.

 

It is very stange the cars you guys think are fast compared to on the SVT 03 Cobra boards.

I hear many of you thinking stock Vettes are fast as Sentry was joking about.

Stock C6 Vettes like mine (12.57@110.67 1.92 60') are considered slugs.
Of course I have a Vararam on the way and should see 12.3s which is alittle more respectable for an automatic convertible.

Ferrari 360s are only regarded for their top end.

The car everyone wants to beat right now is the NEW STOCK Z06 with its 198mph top speed and average mid-high 11 second 1/4 miles at 125+.

The best Z06 driver on the boards BONE STOCK ran a 11.31@127+ on stock radials and a 11.2@127+ on Drag Radials.

Bang for the Buck a $65,000 STOCK car with a WARRANTY that does all that is amazing considering to get a 350Z to do that reliably would take at least $20K on top of purchase prices averaging around $30,000.

Howard

 

Thanks all for answering my questions.

 

Thanks all for answering my questions.

 

My dad's got a 360 Spider and I've got a Z. My Z will probably be turbocharged at the end of this year. My car will have 50-70 more horsepower than his car when it's complete. I couldn't care less. Neither could he.

If you want to beat a friend of yours with a 360, that's nice. He probably couldn't care less either. You're still in a 30k car with a V6 while he's driving a 200k Italian car with a V8 equivalent of God at 8000rpm.

I can also guarantee that while the Z is a GREAT car to drive (I love mine, of course) the Ferrari is better in almost every way. Not only is it more comfortable (that's actually pretty sad) but it sounds better, looks better, is made of nicer materials (the interior is hand-stitched leather) but driving it is an absolute dream. Unfortunately my dad let me drive his 360 the day before I picked up my Z and it made the Z feel like a 4-door Accord. I just don't see a Z as beating a Ferrari in any category except outright performance. The 360 is just a much better car, that's why it costs 5 or 6 times as much.

PS unfortunately, I don't think my turbo Z will beat his F430 Spider, which he gets about the same time my turbo project is finished

 

problem i see with boosting to over 400hp to beat a 360 is traction

you wont be putting the power down anywhere near as efficiently as proper sports/supercar

and if it has the F1 shift, then get some really good racing lessons, because gearchanges are bullet fast every time. We've just upgraded our manual 360 spider to a 430 spider F1, and with the launch control, i couldnt imagine a Z with skinnier rear tyres getting off the line as quickly. Not to mention the 430 feeling ALOT quicker than the 360

still no match for our Brabus tweaked SL55 though, that thing even makes our Murcielago and 996 TT S look slow

ive given up on my FI plans for the Z, i just dont see the value anymore pouring thousands into the engine (not to mention the ongoing maintenance costs - break downs, new clutches, etc) when it wont be any quicker than the latest crop of euro fast sedans - BMWs V8 M3, AMG's new 6.3L V8. Instead i ordered a 300C SRT8 to alternate with the Z - all i want to do now is fit my kit and a utec to tune my exhaust, cats and intake

good luck with the hunt, it wont come easy or cheaply

 

Racetrack?

Assuming you are speaking of a road racetrack and NOT A DRAGSTRIP? It seems as if most are addressing a Drag strip with 1/4 mile times.

We build cars that are very reliable and we visit road racetracks often to test our built cars performance and driver skills against other cars and drivers.

http://violentracing.com/Calendar/

The 360 Ferrari is truly a fine car and for most aspects, quality, interior, and more, the Ferrari and the Z aren't in the same class. Nowhere close.

Yet, bang for the buck in performance...

Buy a $30k car and invest an additional $20k for a reliable built motor, light weight rims, upgraded brakes, suspension and JWT TT kit, for less than $55k with all extras (tax), you truly do have a world-class sports car.

Stock and the Z doesn't have a chance, upgraded, and we have proven time and time again the Nissan Midship (Z and Gs) are amazing and the VQ35 is an awesome motor platform to make even stupid huge power 700 WHP+.

If you want performance, you will need at least $20k as a package and NOT JUST A TURBO KIT, for with just that Mod you still will not have a complete car for world-class performance.

If you are mostly concerned with the QUALITY of stitching on the leather, that is a whole other story. Like comparing polyester to 600 thread count Egyptian cotton. Just not the same on your naked body sleeping for 8 hours on a hot summer night...LOL

Yet when I am racing Willow Springs, or Button, or Laguna Seca, or Calspeedway and bumper-to-bumper with a 360 or 997 or Z06, I could give a crap about stitching. $200k should buy you wonderful quality seats and stitching.

IMO, the car that is bone stock AND is the greatest beast of them all WITH CARB and a WARRANTY is a new Z06, yet they too can be passed on a road racetrack with the above-mentioned modifications.

As for a launch from a stand still and Zero to 60, no matter what we used to put head to head against my older Z06, it still ran 3.9-4.0 with street tires and without drag radials with only 12 PSI, good luck beating those times. As for beating the New Z06 0-60 or 1/4 miles, goodluck. 50 years of Corvette racing and dragstrip gives them an amazing advantage from the launch...Suspension design and gearing play the biggest roles here.

Good luck and nice post.

Thanks Amycroft and DiscoMonkey...

M

 

I have to call you out on this one. All that for $20g???? Seems unlikely. Did you forget labor cost? Race quality stuff: A good clutch alone is $2000. FLT A2's $2000. Brakes $4000. Wheels/tire $3000. I'm already at $11000 unistalled. Add a built motor and turbo kit and EMS. . . . way closer to $30k. I do these build ups as well. It can be done for $20k, but not at a race level.

I didn't even mention oil coolers for the engine/trans/diff. You could do a time attack car for $20G, but that's about it.

No harm is ment by these statements, please don't take it personal. Lets be realistic, not just optimistic.

 

around here, you can't even get a Z06 for less than $95k by the time you pay the dealer mark up.

 

Same here! NO less than $70, but usually closer to $85k. One dealer had one for $70k and it sold on the first day.

 

First off I want to say that you are most definately entitled to your opinion, but, VRT has done same amazing things and want to keep doing those and this board helps because people get to say these things and hear both sides of the story.
That being said, he owns the company. He KNOWS his pricing. By the way VRT does use top notch equipment. There is no point for them to skimp on something when they know that on the track it won't hold up and someone will complain. Talk to any of the guys that have had cars built by VRT and to my knowledge there have been no problems to date!!! Pretty impressive when you see all of us at the track as much as possible and driving the car as hard as we know how.

 

MrA is also right that you CAN beat it on the track, but if you want to beat the "Ferrari" image GOOD LUCK!!! The cars are amazing and look great. Personally I LOVE my Z and really do not want another car. Some people only care about the looks and others care about everything. I would rather spend 50-60k for a Z like I have than 250k for a Ferrari or Lambo. IMHO

 

Thanks and Non-Taken...

I NEED TO INCREASE MY PRICING? LOL

Give me $55k, and I guarantee you a kick *** Z. I will buy it used and invest the rest in Mods promising you will BE EXTREMELY COMPETITVE in performance and looks with almost every Super Car out there on the Road Race Track.

Put me behind the wheel with that car with $450 worth of Hoosiers, and You will get some amazing footage of your car truly shining to its full potential.

FYI, I bought my G35C used for $26k and have invested what I would charge my clients $25k = $51k and SIMPLY watch our videos on our website and tell me the car isn't competitive! 800 WHP competitive and I track the car and Drift the car Week End and Week Out.

Have a Nice Day...

M

 

I agree with you. His car building prowess is not on trial here. I never stated such. It's not a personal attack and is not intended as that. Ease back and please don't take it that way. It's not opinion, it's fact. I've done several VQ build ups also. I'm not trying to toot my own horn. I'm just pointing out the fact that you cannot make a G/Z as track worthy as the 360 on a $20G budget.

Put out a poll on a $20G (robust parts only) build including labor and the facts will prevail.

Have a nice day

 

Quite possibly!

Hoosiers definitely rock!!

I feel you on that tip, but that's all about skill which can prevail over car competence any day of the week.

I'm talking strictly vehicle competence/quality comparison.

I'm sorry to anyone who may have take offence to my statement. Building fast reliable cars is very expensive. It's just for $20G, I'm struggling.