Notices
Forced Induction Turbochargers and Superchargers..Got Boost?

Headgames/Cosworth Heads - Comparisons?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 06:53 AM
  #1  
BrianLG35C's Avatar
BrianLG35C
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,331
Likes: 0
From: NW Ohio
Question Headgames/Cosworth Heads - Comparisons?

Considering one these heads for my build, has anyone compared flow or build quality?
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 07:11 AM
  #2  
Alberto's Avatar
Alberto
Cranky FI Owner
Premier Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 34,715
Likes: 8
From: DMV
Default

There was a post in the general Performance section that turned into a debate/ semi informative thread. Pics and some flow chart #'s were posted. Also opinions on both sets of heads. May wanna check it out....
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 07:14 AM
  #3  
BrianLG35C's Avatar
BrianLG35C
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,331
Likes: 0
From: NW Ohio
Default

Got it, thanks.
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 07:26 AM
  #4  
Philthy's Avatar
Philthy
Boost Junkie
Premier Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,018
Likes: 1
From: Centeral NJ
Default

Biggest advantage with going with Headgames is you have flexibility with Dave - NA Head - no problem, FI Street Heads - sure thing, or full FI Race Heads - you got it...

I haven't seen much real world data on the Cosworth heads yet, but they look like an NA head that would work ok for mild FI as well...
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 07:32 AM
  #5  
Alberto's Avatar
Alberto
Cranky FI Owner
Premier Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 34,715
Likes: 8
From: DMV
Default

^ +1 from what Ive read. If I were going with a set of heads Id go with Dave's heads...
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 07:47 AM
  #6  
BrianLG35C's Avatar
BrianLG35C
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,331
Likes: 0
From: NW Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by Philthy
Biggest advantage with going with Headgames is you have flexibility with Dave - NA Head - no problem, FI Street Heads - sure thing, or full FI Race Heads - you got it...

I haven't seen much real world data on the Cosworth heads yet, but they look like an NA head that would work ok for mild FI as well...
Thanks, I'm leaning toward heads over sleeves for my build. I understand the increased flow will obviously lower internal stress and will make the motor so much more efficient. Which means I can get a lot more hp/torque from less boost. This will make my new motor happy.
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 10:15 AM
  #7  
Nismo350ZRT's Avatar
Nismo350ZRT
Registered User
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 738
Likes: 0
From: Roy, WA
Default

Originally Posted by BrianLG35C
Thanks, I'm leaning toward heads over sleeves for my build. I understand the increased flow will obviously lower internal stress and will make the motor so much more efficient. Which means I can get a lot more hp/torque from less boost. This will make my new motor happy.
That's exactly what I'm thinking too. I'd rather spend $2-3k on the heads than sleeves. MRC's numbers are just awesome with the HeadGames heads.
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 10:26 AM
  #8  
vq35carel's Avatar
vq35carel
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 142
Likes: 0
From: CA,OC
Default

I will check on the cosworth heads and get all the specs. I believe they just came out with a FI set of heads. I will keep you guys posted or pm me.
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 11:22 AM
  #9  
BrianLG35C's Avatar
BrianLG35C
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,331
Likes: 0
From: NW Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by Nismo350ZRT
That's exactly what I'm thinking too. I'd rather spend $2-3k on the heads than sleeves. MRC's numbers are just awesome with the HeadGames heads.
Right, why sleeve when you can get this much power/torque at such a lower psi.
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 11:28 AM
  #10  
rednezz's Avatar
rednezz
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 551
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Default

On a customer service stand point Cosworth is very tight with information. Don't know why since I already bought the dang heads.
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 11:30 AM
  #11  
BrianLG35C's Avatar
BrianLG35C
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,331
Likes: 0
From: NW Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by rednezz
On a customer service stand point Cosworth is very tight with information. Don't know why since I already bought the dang heads.
Post some numbers asap!
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 12:01 PM
  #12  
rednezz's Avatar
rednezz
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 551
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Default

The heads are 58cc's and below is the flow chart from cosworth. Don't know much more than that. The valve train is Ferrea oversized valves with titanium retainers. I got this info from Ferrea but never could confirm with Cosworth.

Intake Valve = 52 grams
Exhaust Valve = 47 grams
Outer Spring ID = 20.8 mm
Outer Spring OD = 28 mm
Inner Spring ID = 15.88 mm
Inner Spring OD = 20.8 mm
Attached Thumbnails Headgames/Cosworth Heads - Comparisons?-coshead-flow-data.jpg  
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 12:02 PM
  #13  
plumpzz's Avatar
plumpzz
New Member
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 7,146
Likes: 0
From: Jersey, New
Default

Another big advantage is how easy is it to get support from Dave? If you want support for Cosworth, you have to go through w/ a large international corperation. If you want support w/ Daves heads, call dave..
Ive learned that customer support is crucial for any aftermarket item, epsecially ones that cost more than 4 grand.. Also, remember that Daves shop is US based.
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 12:14 PM
  #14  
rednezz's Avatar
rednezz
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 551
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Default

Originally Posted by plumpzz
Another big advantage is how easy is it to get support from Dave? If you want support for Cosworth, you have to go through w/ a large international corperation. If you want support w/ Daves heads, call dave..
Ive learned that customer support is crucial for any aftermarket item, epsecially ones that cost more than 4 grand.. Also, remember that Daves shop is US based.

+1

Cosworth may have good heads (have yet to find out since I haven't finished my motor) but as of right now its hard to get solid info.
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 01:22 PM
  #15  
BrianLG35C's Avatar
BrianLG35C
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,331
Likes: 0
From: NW Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by rednezz
+1

Cosworth may have good heads (have yet to find out since I haven't finished my motor) but as of right now its hard to get solid info.
Can you give a little more details on your build? When do you expect it to be finished?
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 01:23 PM
  #16  
BrianLG35C's Avatar
BrianLG35C
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,331
Likes: 0
From: NW Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by plumpzz
Another big advantage is how easy is it to get support from Dave? If you want support for Cosworth, you have to go through w/ a large international corperation. If you want support w/ Daves heads, call dave..
Ive learned that customer support is crucial for any aftermarket item, epsecially ones that cost more than 4 grand.. Also, remember that Daves shop is US based.
Good point!
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 02:14 PM
  #17  
rednezz's Avatar
rednezz
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 551
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Default

Originally Posted by BrianLG35C
Can you give a little more details on your build? When do you expect it to be finished?

I am doing a NA high compression build with Cosworth heads. I was going to use Cosworth 11 to 1 pistons, and carillo rods and get some cams ground for me with 12.1 mm lift. Now I going with cams with 11.5 mm lift instead.

I probably will not have my motor ready until fall. I orginally wanted to have it built by first week of August. However, I started kicking around the idea of using the VQ40DE block and crank and replacing the pistons and rods. .

Last edited by rednezz; Jul 7, 2006 at 02:24 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 05:04 PM
  #18  
BriGuyMax's Avatar
BriGuyMax
Turbo Whore
Premier Member
20 Year Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 7,303
Likes: 1
From: West suburbs of Chi-town
Default

Originally Posted by rednezz
I am doing a NA high compression build with Cosworth heads. I was going to use Cosworth 11 to 1 pistons, and carillo rods and get some cams ground for me with 12.1 mm lift. Now I going with cams with 11.5 mm lift instead.

I probably will not have my motor ready until fall. I orginally wanted to have it built by first week of August. However, I started kicking around the idea of using the VQ40DE block and crank and replacing the pistons and rods. .

You do know the block on the VQ40 is taller right?? It might not even fit under the hood of a 350Z with the intake manifolds bolted up.
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2006 | 05:30 PM
  #19  
dscheers's Avatar
dscheers
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 965
Likes: 2
From: Panama, Central America
Default

Originally Posted by BrianLG35C
Can you give a little more details on your build? When do you expect it to be finished?
My engine should be ready end of month with Cosworth heads, 14 psi of boost from a Procharger and water methanol injection.

Danny
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2006 | 10:31 AM
  #20  
BrianLG35C's Avatar
BrianLG35C
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,331
Likes: 0
From: NW Ohio
Default

Just so I'm clear, "FI Gods"...why wouldn't you spend the budgeted amount for a build on new heads with L-19 or 1/2" studs instead of sleeves? You can run much lower psi for the same whp which lessens motor stress/headlift risk, right? What's the downside?
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:22 AM.