Why are Supras so much better?
09-04-2006, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
actually i am going to have to disagree with you there... due to a better flowing motor and .5L in a car 200 - 300 lbs lighter..
a Z with equal HP to a Supra on the highway... the 350z will walk away from the Supra... seen it happen too many times
a Z with equal HP to a Supra on the highway... the 350z will walk away from the Supra... seen it happen too many times
I am not talking about stock stock, I was talking a single turbo supra vs a single Z.
09-04-2006, 02:27 PM
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You people have no idea how much it costs to build a big power supra. Not only that, but you'll pay 25-30k for one with 125k miles on the motor. I've had supra owners tell me they wish they had motors that put down the bottom-midrange torque that our motor is capable of (especially built).
Put a 550whp Z in a decent driver's hands with some good rubber and you'd be seeing 10's. I'll agree that it seems many high hp Z's out there have been owned by mediocre drivers with not much experience. Look at the guys in Puerto Rico that are excellent drivers, putting down 10's on the stock motor. I can't wait to see what Jeremy (Audiblemayhem) runs when his drivetrain is ready to go.
Listen to Doug, he's preaching the truth here...
Put a 550whp Z in a decent driver's hands with some good rubber and you'd be seeing 10's. I'll agree that it seems many high hp Z's out there have been owned by mediocre drivers with not much experience. Look at the guys in Puerto Rico that are excellent drivers, putting down 10's on the stock motor. I can't wait to see what Jeremy (Audiblemayhem) runs when his drivetrain is ready to go.
Listen to Doug, he's preaching the truth here...
09-04-2006, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mahdivr4
I am not talking about stock stock, I was talking a single turbo supra vs a single Z.
09-04-2006, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
so was i.... 450 hp Z vs 450 hp Supra... Z wins... 500 vs 500 .. 600 vs 600... Z wins..
09-04-2006, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
You people have no idea how much it costs to build a big power supra. Not only that, but you'll pay 25-30k for one with 125k miles on the motor. I've had supra owners tell me they wish they had motors that put down the bottom-midrange torque that our motor is capable of (especially built). ...
A guy i knew from TX gave me an excel spreadsheet with the break down... for the life of me i can't find it right now..
but parts and labor was creeping up to the $30 - $40k range
09-04-2006, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
well i wasn't even thinking that... i was thinking that we usually have more area under the curve and much more torque than the 2jz
09-04-2006, 02:44 PM
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I can't believe I just read some of the posts in this thread honestly...
Supras being the king of traction? lol. If the guy is hitting better times than you are at lower traps it's not your Z's fault, you're getting outdriven, plain and simple. The Z can 60' just fine, whether or not any particular driver can isn't the fault of the car.
The fact that the car comes with a fuel system that is pretty serious from the factory enables it to make more power than the Z before the need for fuel system alterations. The fact that it comes with two turbos under the hood already and can make 450ish on those two turbos before having to change is the other advantage it has. The fact that it comes with an engine it is more stout from the factory is another.
Those three things combined with the fact that you didn't want to hear (that they have been around for 14 years now and have been tuned that much longer, as compared to 3 years with the VQ powered Z) are why they have more "mod potential."
Supras being the king of traction? lol. If the guy is hitting better times than you are at lower traps it's not your Z's fault, you're getting outdriven, plain and simple. The Z can 60' just fine, whether or not any particular driver can isn't the fault of the car.
The fact that the car comes with a fuel system that is pretty serious from the factory enables it to make more power than the Z before the need for fuel system alterations. The fact that it comes with two turbos under the hood already and can make 450ish on those two turbos before having to change is the other advantage it has. The fact that it comes with an engine it is more stout from the factory is another.
Those three things combined with the fact that you didn't want to hear (that they have been around for 14 years now and have been tuned that much longer, as compared to 3 years with the VQ powered Z) are why they have more "mod potential."
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09-04-2006, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mrtomcat
I love my Z but sometimes I question my decissions...
my buddy bought a used Supra with aftermarket turbo (stock block) for about 25k (great condition), tweaked it a bit for about 5k more and ran 11.9 at 7500 feet elevation with a speed of only 115 mph and on top of that won IDRC yesterday.
I spent over 50k so far on my Z (turbo, suspension, tuning, installs, build engine...) and with all that I probably will barely hit 10's beside the fact that I haven't seen my car in almost 5 weeks because the engine build is taking forever, making me even more frustrated but that's a different story.
This makes me wonder why is it so much cheaper to run good times on a Supra vs a Z?
Are the Toyota engineers really that much better than Nissan's?
What's their secret?
And I don't want to hear that the Supra's have been around longer, the Z has been around in it's previous versions probably longer. And I'm not talking modding it out because again my buddy's Supra is almost completely stock.
my buddy bought a used Supra with aftermarket turbo (stock block) for about 25k (great condition), tweaked it a bit for about 5k more and ran 11.9 at 7500 feet elevation with a speed of only 115 mph and on top of that won IDRC yesterday.
I spent over 50k so far on my Z (turbo, suspension, tuning, installs, build engine...) and with all that I probably will barely hit 10's beside the fact that I haven't seen my car in almost 5 weeks because the engine build is taking forever, making me even more frustrated but that's a different story.
This makes me wonder why is it so much cheaper to run good times on a Supra vs a Z?
Are the Toyota engineers really that much better than Nissan's?
What's their secret?
And I don't want to hear that the Supra's have been around longer, the Z has been around in it's previous versions probably longer. And I'm not talking modding it out because again my buddy's Supra is almost completely stock.
09-04-2006, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mrtomcat
one of the things that I am amazed about is the traction.
I have trapped higher mph (118) but him trapping only 115 and hitting 11's that amazes me even more.
It just seemed to be designed better all around.
It'll be interesting to see that IF Toyota will finally re-release the Supra how it will compare to today's Z
I have trapped higher mph (118) but him trapping only 115 and hitting 11's that amazes me even more.
It just seemed to be designed better all around.
It'll be interesting to see that IF Toyota will finally re-release the Supra how it will compare to today's Z
BTW my weaksauce Z with a "slow" (IMO) 60ft ran 11.9 @ 114mph-you see Z's can run 11's with less than 400whp and full interiors
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09-04-2006, 03:23 PM
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the main thing that people are missing here is that MKIV came out in 93. thats 13 years ago, if we compared the timelines with them, we are way way ahead of them for sure. they all did the same thing we are doing and we will have 1000 hp street Zs one day for sure.
our Zs came out in 2003, that is roughly four years ago in the car world. give it time and we will be smoking all those guys...
our Zs came out in 2003, that is roughly four years ago in the car world. give it time and we will be smoking all those guys...
09-04-2006, 03:31 PM
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the main thing that people are missing here is that MKIV came out in 93. thats 13 years ago, if we compared the timelines with them, we are way way ahead of them for sure. they all did the same thing we are doing and we will have 1000 hp street Zs one day for sure.
our Zs came out in 2003, that is roughly four years ago in the car world. give it time and we will be smoking all those guys...
our Zs came out in 2003, that is roughly four years ago in the car world. give it time and we will be smoking all those guys...
09-04-2006, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Audible Mayhem
sorry, man, i dont normally read what you write cause its usually just putting someone down for something...
i like to keep progression headed forward..
well, unless they are complete idiots..
i like to keep progression headed forward..
well, unless they are complete idiots..
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09-04-2006, 04:52 PM
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The RB26 is one of the most if not most fabeled engines in the history of japense sports cars. I am not knocking the supra and saying that it does not have an incredible engine either. This is one of those threads like which is faster camaro or mustang. The people that like nissan will probably go with the RB26(which is a monsterously sized engine) and people that like supras and toyotas will go with the 2JZ-GTE which is in the supra. They are both bad*** engines, but I will go with a RB26DETT.