Turbonetics leaning out in Cold weather
Originally Posted by taurran
Sorry, but you're not just a jackass. You're a rock.
Do you even know how a turbocharger works? How many times does it need to be stated that its not an flaw in the turbocharger or the wastegate? This phenomenon should be present on any turbo kit without a boost controller.
For instance, the greddy kit doesn't come with a boost controller or even a blow off valve. It's a given for owners to buy it and they do so without all the b*tching, or run off the wastegate and deal with it. The situation is no different here.
Do you even know how a turbocharger works? How many times does it need to be stated that its not an flaw in the turbocharger or the wastegate? This phenomenon should be present on any turbo kit without a boost controller.
For instance, the greddy kit doesn't come with a boost controller or even a blow off valve. It's a given for owners to buy it and they do so without all the b*tching, or run off the wastegate and deal with it. The situation is no different here.
Obviously you're on the "rock" side of things to, and can't see that if built for the "public" and on the safe side that it would be designed around the worstcase scenario, which would be closer to SAE rather than hot humid air. This way the only way to go is down in boost and away from higher boost levels.
Design flaw, and if all of them have it...all of them have it.
Originally Posted by Beer Goggles
Again, if it is known that Turbo Chargers ALL have this built in, that cold air causes increased manifold pressure, then it should be taken into consideration when designing the kit.
Obviously you're on the "rock" side of things to, and can't see that if built for the "public" and on the safe side that it would be designed around the worstcase scenario, which would be closer to SAE rather than hot humid air. This way the only way to go is down in boost and away from higher boost levels.
Design flaw, and if all of them have it...all of them have it.
Obviously you're on the "rock" side of things to, and can't see that if built for the "public" and on the safe side that it would be designed around the worstcase scenario, which would be closer to SAE rather than hot humid air. This way the only way to go is down in boost and away from higher boost levels.
Design flaw, and if all of them have it...all of them have it.
Originally Posted by Beer Goggles
Design flaw, and if all of them have it...all of them have it.
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Another day of your posts and another post without you being able to actually articulate your percieved flaw.
The only person here that made any sense was Tuarran, and instead of just posting information he had to be a "jackass" too. But I'm guessing he owns a TK that has had issues, or is sponsored by one.
Again, if I was coming out with a TK, and boost creep makes people freak. Knowing that this happens in the cold, I would have designed it so that it operates as claimed (9lbs or whatever) at cold air temps, so that the most that can happen is when it gets hot, boost drops, not increases.
Originally Posted by Beer Goggles
Guess I joined the club. Another day of not wanting to see another point of view.
The only person here that made any sense was Tuarran, and instead of just posting information he had to be a "jackass" too. But I'm guessing he owns a TK that has had issues, or is sponsored by one.
Again, if I was coming out with a TK, and boost creep makes people freak. Knowing that this happens in the cold, I would have designed it so that it operates as claimed (9lbs or whatever) at cold air temps, so that the most that can happen is when it gets hot, boost drops, not increases.
The only person here that made any sense was Tuarran, and instead of just posting information he had to be a "jackass" too. But I'm guessing he owns a TK that has had issues, or is sponsored by one.
Again, if I was coming out with a TK, and boost creep makes people freak. Knowing that this happens in the cold, I would have designed it so that it operates as claimed (9lbs or whatever) at cold air temps, so that the most that can happen is when it gets hot, boost drops, not increases.
Originally Posted by Beer Goggles
Again, if I was coming out with a TK, and boost creep makes people freak. Knowing that this happens in the cold, I would have designed it so that it operates as claimed (9lbs or whatever) at cold air temps, so that the most that can happen is when it gets hot, boost drops, not increases.
What you're saying is you want to make the kit completely fool proof, and unfortunately on a forced induction setup there is no such thing as "fool proof". Anyone who gets one and expects it to operate flawlessly in all circumstances and conditions without basic troubleshooting skills shouldn't own one, especially on a stock motor 350z.
Besides, the stage 1 kit was designed to be a low cost bolt on turbo upgrade for those with a stock or near stock car. This means it doesn't include extras like electronic boost control. You seem to have the misconception otherwise. If one really wants these features, they will 1) buy the tuner kit and get a UTEC, 2) Buy stage 1 kit and get their own EBC, 3) wait for the stage 1.5/2 upgrades which will include boost control. This is how this kit has always been marketed, and I don't think it could be any more clear what your options are.
Like I said in my previous post, you're not paying for it so don't expect it. At least they aren't "promising" electronic boost control and wasting your money on a system that barely qualifies as performing the function.
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