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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by taurran
Sorry, but you're not just a jackass. You're a rock.

Do you even know how a turbocharger works? How many times does it need to be stated that its not an flaw in the turbocharger or the wastegate? This phenomenon should be present on any turbo kit without a boost controller.

For instance, the greddy kit doesn't come with a boost controller or even a blow off valve. It's a given for owners to buy it and they do so without all the b*tching, or run off the wastegate and deal with it. The situation is no different here.
Again, if it is known that Turbo Chargers ALL have this built in, that cold air causes increased manifold pressure, then it should be taken into consideration when designing the kit.

Obviously you're on the "rock" side of things to, and can't see that if built for the "public" and on the safe side that it would be designed around the worstcase scenario, which would be closer to SAE rather than hot humid air. This way the only way to go is down in boost and away from higher boost levels.

Design flaw, and if all of them have it...all of them have it.
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Beer Goggles
Again, if it is known that Turbo Chargers ALL have this built in, that cold air causes increased manifold pressure, then it should be taken into consideration when designing the kit.

Obviously you're on the "rock" side of things to, and can't see that if built for the "public" and on the safe side that it would be designed around the worstcase scenario, which would be closer to SAE rather than hot humid air. This way the only way to go is down in boost and away from higher boost levels.

Design flaw, and if all of them have it...all of them have it.
Another day of your posts and another post without you being able to actually articulate your percieved flaw.
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Beer Goggles
Design flaw, and if all of them have it...all of them have it.
Not a design flaw but a boost control issue solved with an EBC. The kits are 'designed' to work with a manual or electronic boost controller.
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Another day of your posts and another post without you being able to actually articulate your percieved flaw.
Guess I joined the club. Another day of not wanting to see another point of view.

The only person here that made any sense was Tuarran, and instead of just posting information he had to be a "jackass" too. But I'm guessing he owns a TK that has had issues, or is sponsored by one.

Again, if I was coming out with a TK, and boost creep makes people freak. Knowing that this happens in the cold, I would have designed it so that it operates as claimed (9lbs or whatever) at cold air temps, so that the most that can happen is when it gets hot, boost drops, not increases.
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Beer Goggles
Guess I joined the club. Another day of not wanting to see another point of view.

The only person here that made any sense was Tuarran, and instead of just posting information he had to be a "jackass" too. But I'm guessing he owns a TK that has had issues, or is sponsored by one.

Again, if I was coming out with a TK, and boost creep makes people freak. Knowing that this happens in the cold, I would have designed it so that it operates as claimed (9lbs or whatever) at cold air temps, so that the most that can happen is when it gets hot, boost drops, not increases.
i guess you still don't get it. No surprise you haven't seem to grasp the concept of design anyways and since you again cannot even explain the component or design parameter that you claim has failed your posts are not surprising either. Maybe you will understand this but somehow its not likely. The turbocharger is only producing 9 PSI of pressure at the outlet. I measured the pressure reading from the compressor and its 9 PSI. However the manifold reading shows 10 PSI. So what is the flaw that caused the pressure to increase between what the turbo produced and what the sensor at the manifold read? Like I said another day of your babbling about flaws you can't point out or have proof of.
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Beer Goggles
Again, if I was coming out with a TK, and boost creep makes people freak. Knowing that this happens in the cold, I would have designed it so that it operates as claimed (9lbs or whatever) at cold air temps, so that the most that can happen is when it gets hot, boost drops, not increases.
That's called a wastegate spring, which can be bought for under $5 and installed at the same time the kit is. With a 7psi spring, you'd be making approx 6.5psi during normal conditions, and around 7.5psi during cold weather driving.

What you're saying is you want to make the kit completely fool proof, and unfortunately on a forced induction setup there is no such thing as "fool proof". Anyone who gets one and expects it to operate flawlessly in all circumstances and conditions without basic troubleshooting skills shouldn't own one, especially on a stock motor 350z.

Besides, the stage 1 kit was designed to be a low cost bolt on turbo upgrade for those with a stock or near stock car. This means it doesn't include extras like electronic boost control. You seem to have the misconception otherwise. If one really wants these features, they will 1) buy the tuner kit and get a UTEC, 2) Buy stage 1 kit and get their own EBC, 3) wait for the stage 1.5/2 upgrades which will include boost control. This is how this kit has always been marketed, and I don't think it could be any more clear what your options are.

Like I said in my previous post, you're not paying for it so don't expect it. At least they aren't "promising" electronic boost control and wasting your money on a system that barely qualifies as performing the function.
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