+1000 on heat wrap!

 

Yeah, it's quite easy. Any fabrication shop could build it with no problem. This forum is a bunch of credit card racers who'd rather pay a lot for "pug and play" kits though.

Do you know how a turbo system works?

 

yes....i know... and i know that you know...

still how come poeple have been talking about a twin gt35r kit(pre IntenseFab a gt37r in the works) for ever when nobody did it... ??? u have no idea of the specs of this kit to really comment like that... u dunno size of piping or anything... fitment troubles... so in "theory" it may sound easy, but once you get to do it..it is not....
It takes time.. lots of work R&D and on top of that continue working on other project cars......u know all this...

So i guess both you and me are also credit card racers for having a turbonetics turbo kit because we didnt choose to a custom one fabricated

 

I dunno. When this car first came out most of the companies world wide were having trouble tting the G and Z. Greddy in the states was the first one to develop a kit for it, even before the guys in Japan had.

 

Building and fabricating a kit such as that is easier said than done... and I can see that through this kit because it appears to be precisely measured in such a way for everything to barely squeeze in there. I know that takes a long time and patience to build.

Honestly I'd rather be a credit card racer because the price to fabricate that kit from a local shop around my place would be starting at $10,000 I'd assume. I'd much rather drop 5Gs in a "plug and play" kit. And honestly, you can exceed 400+whp without much of an issue with boost. This powerlab kit is going to make how much??? ... well, do you really need that much power? If you can hit high 11s, I'd say the car is fast enough.

 

All it takes is a little welding. You don't even need a bender as you can buy pre mandrel bent pipes. I now about tight clearances and piping issues, trust me. In theory it is easy. The only difficult part about it is sitting there playing with the piping and getting it routed perfectly, but like I said any metal shop can do that for enough time and money. If you can weld you can do it in your own garage.

 

I agree. The prefabbed kits on the market do it cheaper and more cost efficiently unless you're doing the work yourself. I'm just saying that people have been building one-off setups for a long time. All it takes is patience and a welder. A turbo kit isn't rocket science, and it's far less complicated than building a motor.

 

LOL. Well no ****. Not everyone is made of time and money though.

Case in point.

 

Trust me, many in this forum are.

 

I know, but that is one reason we have not seen a tremendous development in rather more extreme turbo kits for the Z.

 

hahah right.... i guess it was that easy also to do your "custom" setup that was supose to be released last year.... you know its hard...i understand why i didnt happen... and you know that too, but aparently now if its not that kit... then they are all "easy to do"

 

that I agree

 

What are you talking about? I haven't planned on building my own custom kit nor do I work for Turbonetics, as you suggest, who is not making a custom kit either. If you knew what was going on you wouldn't be making these assumptions. If you want to see custom kits, look at what PF will be doing and you'll see what can be done and that it's not that difficult.

Besides, making piping is not an issue. Replacing piping on a kit and making it affordable to mass produce is.

Well... I see how easy you change your tune. All it seems to take is a little reach around from Intense I guess. It's not like they didn't have anything to go off of. The kit you're looking at running is just a reverse engineered mix of the ST kits already on the market. It's quite a bit "easier" to build one when you can take a current design and address all the problem areas found by a large user base that's thoroughly tested it.

 

Man i like my TN kit and ill always support it..... as intensefab already told you also, they have sold and build lots of TN setups... your assumptions are wrong there..., plus i know you and supported the TN kit long enough to know you dont work for turbonetics so tell me where did i suggested you did???... i just know you got good enough connections and thats the reason you are going to run the setup that is being worked on yoru car, and thats great man, congrats i am really eager to see the results...
i was just pointing to the fact that your setup is basically similar to what the stage 2 is going to be ..which is awsome... and u know it took some time to develop..design..mock it up... rework it..make it more efficient etc etc etc.... that why its taking them time to get it out which is fine... but then you go on saying that its easy to get a turbo kit out...when not many people do it for obvious reasons. That as you know...while in concept its easy to do to get it done right... not just a quick mock up... it takes time to do.
When injected did their gt42r setup it took them some time...not that there was any super new break through in the kit, but they had to put a lot of time working on that setup.... i am sure Jeremy is working on a nice setup too...which is also custom, but he is not going to get it in the first pass either... he'll probably revise it until he is happy and done with it quit a few times too...
its takes time patience ..resources...R&D all while workign on other projects as well...
So you knowing how hard TN worked on their stage 2 setup and the time it took them and all, and then you come out and say that its easy to do custom turbo kit and and anybody could do it...its not speaking in favor of all the work they did to get their setup right.

 

I'm fairly sure you've been fed a lot of misinformation or just came up with it all on your own, because none of it is reality.

Now that you're done pointing fingers and insisting that welding some pipes together is the pinacle of modern engineering, maybe this thread can get back to its original topic.

 

what is the missinformation ...
-if you are not going to run basicaly the pre-stag 2 setup + bigger turbo i think as i was told... then its missinformation...
-that TN mentioned the kit was supose to be released last year and have still worked on up to now on top of their other projects(robert has said this many times) to get it done perfectly or to make even more improvements, more R&D etc etc etc is true....
-that i have suported and still suport the TN kit = true

anything else?? explain your
cause u are contradicting yourself now, cause u know i support the kit yet you act as if i don't because i also support another kit now... you act as if I assume you work for TN when i know you dont... your easy comments are hypocritical considering you know all the work turbonetics has put in their stage 1 and stage 2 kit...come one man..

 

+1 on going back on topic.... and where did i say that its the pinnacle of modern engineering ... i said as you did it takes time to get the right sizing you want in the end..making it bigger... making modification on engine etc etc to allow for bigger piping...etc etc... none of it is rocket science as you say ..but its not easy.... i mean u could make a kit with small piping that fits through fine and you are done there..but its not the case here...

 

If you think Turbonetics has been working on "perfecting" the kit for however long (years), then you're as clueless as you let off to be. We're not talking about a shop that devotes all of its time and manpower to build one setup. It's been said time and time again that other projects have taken precidence in the meantime.

Thanks for dragging this thread into a ST vs ST argument. That really seems to be the aim of everything you post on these forums lately, after all. You seem to be regurgitating everything you've read on these forums like most of the folks here. I don't enjoy taking threads off topic, even after I've been jumped on after insisting you're making this sound much more complicated than it really is.

Just let it drop and go back to the OT. If you want to argue with me make another thread.

 

u did... u were being hypocritial... i made it clear that that they were doign R&D and working on other projects as well.... whcih makes it all harder to get somethign done

 

maybe you should be less hypocritical specially when u know i support a lot the kit that you run.. or were running
and in fact if you READ... you will see i have been defending the length of time and work turbonetics has performed in their stg1 and stg2 kit!!!