No because I never put that much in to begin with. I read in the instructions to fill up to the LOW and it never got any higher than that. I'm positive that, along with you, I had bad seals from the get-go.

I'm just pointing out how we've all come to realize just how sensitive the APS TT kit is to the oil level. It went from 6qts to 5qts, coming from the same souce.


We were discussing turbo installs on existing stock motors, not brand new motor builds.

 

Who said he had a kit? Your assuming he does, I have the APS oil pan on my N/A car and it only came with install instructions. He has a valid question, lets cut him a break and try and help him out, I yse six quarts and am on my second oil change with no issues.

 

No hard feelings, but your situation was not the same as mine. You had numerous install related issues that are more likely the cause of issues you saw. It very well could have been bad seals as well, but smoke on decel was not your only issue.

if I remember correctly you had a major coolant leak, heat issues, and your car was smoking upon accel as well as on decel. And to top it off you had your motor fail. Where as my only issue was smoke on decel

Your car was there getting a complete new motor installed and most likely what he as referrencing when you spoke to him. I talked to the same tech around the same time and 6qts is correct on a fresh build. Really, if you want to be particular, it should be said to fill it to the L mark on the stick. Sometimes that means 5qts for me, other times, upwords of 6. I watch my oil level religiously and am very cautious about the amount of oil I run in my car.

 

First off, this is a FI forum, second off, he states in other threads he has the kit coming, and third off, a N/A setup is not applicable to the discussion at hand .

 

Only after it was tuned

Like, literally RIGHT OUT FRONT OF GRD it blew. Huge backfire sound and massive smoke screen on accel. I'm guessing it was a piston ring because it still ran afterwards, only afterwards it smoked on accel as well as decel.. Ask Tuan if you don't believe me, I called him within 30 seconds of the incident.

Before the drive up to Chicago, it was ONLY smoking on decel.


ps,

not denying that there were install issues, but I don't believe that my coolant leak had anything to do with my motor going. And the fuel line kink would've blown my motor well before I made the 10hr drive up to Chicago. Not to mention, I was running sub 11's AFR under WOT, so nobody can say I was running too lean.

 

This is not the right venue to discuss this. I don't want to sound like I know exactly what happened, but I do know our conversations during the time of install and when our cars were at the shop. What's done is done and in the past.

 

My car is currently down due to a piston ring failure. While my car never overheated per se, it did get over normal operating temps. That may have been enough to cause the damage I saw in my current situation.

Just to throw this out there. After my install, my car smoked on decel. car ran fine. Took the car to the shop, car was tore down and motor rebuilt while the turbos were sent out to be examined. Turbos returned and the entire kit reinstalled on a freshly built shortblock. Car showed EXACTLY the same symptom as it did when I brought it to the shop. Turbo was swapped out and things were fixed 100%

 

Agreed

 

As for who is doing my install, lol no not me just curious for when I change my oil in the future.

 

Oh, APS ST

 

An ASP ST takes roughly 5 QT of Oil with out an Oil Cooler, with one, it jumps to 5.5.
But a good rule of thumb as some have pointed out, the oil should be at the low line of the dip stick, as long as it is there, your fine..........

 

someone explain to me why I should run the same amount of oil with the APS pan as stock if I have no smoking issues with my vortech setup?

what reason is there?
Maybe it's harder to displace 6 quarts than 5 quarts for the oil return line to return back to the pan on the APS return tap locations?

Otherwise is it just a coincidence that APS started telling their authorized dealers to put in less oil at the time that people were having lots of smoking issues?

 

where are you pulling this info? The kit's instructions are where the quantities are referred to and they didn't "start" telling authorized dealers to put in less oil. the instructions, in term of oil quantit,y have remained the same since day one. Lots of smoking issues???? Please define "lots".

In an application outside of the APS TT setup, you should be fine running an increased amount of oil. You are not dealing with the same factors as you are with the twin turbo setup.

 

"lots" means any amount of smoking in my book


what factors would those be?

why do turbos need less oil than superchargers? You'd think the opposite would be true.

I'm still confused why APS makes an oil pan they include with their kits if you just end up putting the same amount of oil in

 

Do you have the electronic check valve?

 

The design and layout of their kit doesnt allow a sufficient oil return path to be able to run the oil at stock oil levels, it will burn oil unless your at the L line. Thankfully, their pan has those kickouts on the side allowing another quart to sit at a lower level so that APS TT owners can have at least the stock 5 quarts in their car... without that cast pan they would be at 4 quarts haha.

If you ran it with your vortech, the conditions that cause the APS TT to burn oil wouldnt exist. Your supercharger sits up much higher and changes all the factors involved.

 

ok thanks,

so then what if APS's oil return line went into the upper oil pan kinda like the vortech? - I guess that doesn't help that the oil would have to travel that much higher though...but there'd be less resistence

 

ya its just specific to their own kit.

you should be a-ok to run the oil level up to the regular level on the dipstick in your application. however in that case, might as well just get a spacer like jwt/aam... i personally dont see the appeal to running that pan unless you have to.

 

yeah I can't say it was worth 4x the price of a spacer, but I got the APS pan instead of a spacer since it already had oil tap holes, has heat fins, made out of aluminum, has the internal baffles, and uses 1 gasket instead of 2.

 

Only put in 5 qts!