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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 12:49 PM
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Turbo For The Win Lol
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 05:50 PM
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Can someone direct me towards some videos of some turbo vs. SC 350Zs that are putting down similar power.

I understand that the turbo should win, but I'm curious about the difference.
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 05:55 PM
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difference seems to be about .2 seconds or 2 car lengths and 2mph in the 1/4 mile
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 06:08 PM
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About how many car lengths from a roll.

I read your other posts about different final drive ratios, but just a typical outcome say from a 2nd gear roll to the top of 4th or so.
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 06:47 PM
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probably still close to 2 car lengths or whatever IMO

it's really hard to say
there's so many turbo curves out there. Some are setup to have boost come on ASAP and lots of tq, others are setup for the power to come on later

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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Sensi09
About how many car lengths from a roll.

I read your other posts about different final drive ratios, but just a typical outcome say from a 2nd gear roll to the top of 4th or so.
I dont know if you realize you are bench racing. You are asking a question that has about 100 factors that could come into play and change the outcome of a race. Given equal drivers/power levels the turbo will be faster. That doesnt always mean a turbo car will beat a S/C car, so please stop asking questions like you are doing its silly. "What ifs?" =
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 06:54 AM
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There was a video a while back of 12NV with a Turbonetics kit on a BONE STOCK Z including exhaust racing a Vortech SC car with 400 WHP and 12NV was spanking it all day long... Search around and you should find it..
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
There was a video a while back of 12NV with a Turbonetics kit on a BONE STOCK Z including exhaust racing a Vortech SC car with 400 WHP and 12NV was spanking it all day long... Search around and you should find it..
12NV's car was pretty damn fast for a bone stock ST setup.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
There was a video a while back of 12NV with a Turbonetics kit on a BONE STOCK Z including exhaust racing a Vortech SC car with 400 WHP and 12NV was spanking it all day long... Search around and you should find it..
IIRC he dyno'd "only" 36Xwhp...
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Originally Posted by Alberto
IIRC he dyno'd "only" 36Xwhp...
Yes sir...he made 369 WHP and 380 FT/LB at 8 PSI on pump 93 with a bone stock exhaust and everything else minus the turbo kit. The Vortech was making 400 WHP and 36X ft/lb at time of the race IIRC. He murdered it all day...
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in for video link
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 07:20 AM
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Someone find it and post it up. I want to see that
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
in for video link
I think he's talking about this one. I forget what backagain was running at the time, but it wasn't running the best. Anyway:

http://www.panhandlez.com/videos/satracing2.wmv



Also, watch the wideband on the APS TT when he's running. It was sitting at like 10.2:1 the whole time... hahaha. I think that was Yammy's car.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
There was a video a while back of 12NV with a Turbonetics kit on a BONE STOCK Z including exhaust racing a Vortech SC car with 400 WHP and 12NV was spanking it all day long... Search around and you should find it..

no I think it was something like 340-370whp on the vortech in that video. I think the member was Backagain. And after the video, he did a pulley upgrade, some sorta exhaust something, and a retune making 30-40 more whp
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sentry65
no I think it was something like 340-370whp on the vortech in that video. I think the member was Backagain. And after the video, he did a pulley upgrade, some sorta exhaust something, and a retune making 30-40 more whp
You know you are right. I remember his silver S/C car it did 333whp IIRC and he ran 12.9 down the 1/4 UNTUNED, which is what he was in that video because I recall him saying he wanted another run later. He then retuned it, then sold it, bought an F250 Diesel and ran 13.8 @ 98mph in that thing lol....silly how I remember these things, good call Sentry.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 08:29 AM
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yeah that thread where he talks about it is tricky to find because I don't think it's one of his threads or if it is, the title is something different. I think he just posts the video somewhere in the middle of the thread.

here's the thread of where he got retuned to 400whp at CP Racing:
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-induction/137568-finally-got-car-tuned-thanks-cpracing.html

yeah he was tired of losing to all his local cars - mostly domestics. And there was some friendly competition with them, so he went and upgraded a bunch of stuff then I don't think he ever raced them on his new setup - or no video posted anyway

If I recall, I think he had stock everything except the base vortech kit and an exhaust, maybe high flow cats and that was pretty much it for all of the videos he made

I remember seeing that video of him racing the TN before I bought my vortech kit, and remember he was just way out of his league when he gave details on the cars in that race. That the TN car was making a more whp than him and of course a mountain more tq and so of course he lost when he raced

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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 08:41 AM
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https://my350z.com/forum/showpost.ph...1&postcount=35
I found some quotes I quoted from his thread, but still can't find the thread



Originally Posted by backagain
yea, the tune helped a lot, in the video i was hitting just under 8 lbs of boost, im hitting almost 9.5 now for some odd reason. if you arent busy in the next day or so 12 nv we should get together and do it again. stop by and check out the fence i just built also.
this one is of interest:
Originally Posted by 1 2 NV
Actually I(tn brickyard z) beat backagain (silver vortec z)by a hair since his tune. But his car is a different animal now. I ended up frying my clutch in the process though!
backagain's newer tune/setup as of march 2006:
Originally Posted by backagain
vortech with 3.12 pulley, dc sport headers, pro-1 test pipes, borla td exhaust, weight is ~ 3700 lbs though with stereo equip. i weighted it at a weigh station. if i could get the weight down i should be doing a little better with my track times. i dont have a 1/4 mile track anywhere around here but at our local 8th i ran a 8.411 at 86.87 mph with a 2.12 60 ft time. should calculate to a 12.8 or 12.9 from what i've seen other guy run.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sentry65
https://my350z.com/forum/showpost.ph...1&postcount=35
I found some quotes I quoted from his thread, but still can't find the thread





this one is of interest:


backagain's newer tune/setup as of march 2006:
i stand corrected. But that quote in your post is still valid. Even with the re-tune he lost to an otherwise stock TN Z.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 09:01 AM
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yeah, I don't think anyone really thought the SC would do better than an equal whp turbo
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 09:22 AM
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Still, it was a stock Turonetics ST Z with absoultely other mods and a reflashed ECU (untuned). No excuses that the other car was untuned or whatever, because neither was the ST Z. There are 1000 factors that go into every race. Run what ya brung.
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