how often do you get to hot lap on the drag strip though? there's usually other people lined up to go
I suppose it's different from track to track and day to day

 

Well how often does Craig or even myself drag race? I drag race a few times a year at most, I usually go to set a PB and dont run again. For me, and Im going to assume Craig agrees, we would rather have fast cars that perform at their best consitently rather than claim a time you ran at the track on one pass. And many drag racers do like consistency these are the guys that use 1 10lb bottle for 2 runs on N20 then swap in another bottle, Craig gonna do that? The nitrous and meth can have the same results on the track-they both increase power above regular boost levels, yet the meth IMO is a far better choice for the street car/street racer who can have many runs back to back. In that situation N20 will lose after a few runs. Just my opinion....

 

yeah i'd rather have water/meth injection any day over nitrous in a street car. I can store methanol in my garage and it's dirt cheap and can refill it myself. No need to go somewhere special and pay $35 per 10 lb bottle that's completely illegal on the street and can possiby explode if you left the bottle warmer on or outside in the summer with the windows up

 

what track do you go to? I haven't hot lapped a car at the drapstrip in over 10 years......there's usually a 1/2 mile worth of cars lined up whenever I make it to the track.

 

MIR, Capitol, Cecil County and Mason Dixon. I used to hotlap at Capitol (Test & Tune) for a good hour back when I was first racing, last time I did it was 2 years ago with my TN kit, but that was a private track day...

 

Impressive numbers and as always, good to see PF mixing up things with the TT / N20 setup. Not many shops around that are game to play in that field, and several explanations as to why, but regardless it's good to see something else brought to the table.

Congrats again...

 

2zz ftw it was a nice lil engine when i had my celi gts =]

 

We're talking about two different concepts here. I'm talking about running less boost and spraying nitrous on top. You're talking about running the same boost levels and spraying meth, then tuning more aggressively to make power. Both have their benefits and weaknesses. Neither are perfect.

I guess the only way to really solve a debate on this would be to put both on the same car and then tune for both. Then again, I don't really care enough to do that or even argue which is better here.

 

Diff concepts yes, both result in a faster set-up when used. You stated nitrous with boost dialed back was more efficient than meth. Im still waiting for the proof, I wont even continue the nitrous/meth debate.

 

That's fine. I'm still waiting on proof that water/meth is better.

 

^^ you guys are hilarious.


try spraying water in the intake and see what happens.

nitrous ownz! Dunno if I'd call it better, but it definitely has more uses. I certainly can't get a root canal on water and meth.

 

I said it was more consistent in my original reply to you. Nice job avoiding my question, you stated it was more efficient, the burden of proof is on you. Nobody can argue that meth is more consistent compared to nitrous.

 

Automotive nitrous would kill you, it "should" have sulfur in it to avoid huffing. Medical grade nitrous would work on our cars AND for personal reasons lol...

 

 

Ya, I did not mean water/meth injection and nitrous, I meant water/meth injection rather then a nitorous kit. I understand the instant torque and all, but it seems that you could just run a little more boost, and have a more reliable car all the time with water/meth injection.

There are a lot of positives with nitrous and boost as well. As seen here, such a small shot, makes a pretty significant difference. Lowering the intake temps so much, and the instant power. Cylinder pressures may get pretty high though.

Im not knocking this setup at all. Just curious why they chose nitrous rather than a water/meth injection. I see both sides though.

 

If I get to the track early on a street night, I can get in atleast 5 runs in the first half hour. If that isnt hotlapping, then I dont know what is! lol!

 

These are two different concepts. Thats why I asked for the differences in ideas. Seeing as how your car is F/I, Im not sure why you wouldnt care about this argument as perhaps one day it could benefit you.

I understand having that little extra boost at the track with nitrous, but I think the all the time benefit of water/meth is better. I think its safer and better for your motor seeing as how it cools intake temps and allows a safer tune. Its not to say that because you have water/meth that you are going to run a lot more boost and timing, but atleast you could have a safer DD.

 

again, at the drag strip, water/meth and nitrous arent even a comparable setup. water/meth will allow you to run more boost sure, but nitrous is instant tq that will get your car moving faster than a meth setup with higher boost could ever do.

dont even think they are comparable. we could have just turned the boost up for sure with this car. but the tq numbers are always good with the greddy kit, so we made up for that!!

this car is receiving a major heart transplant here soon, i will talk him into turning up the boost on some race gas before hand and see what we can do. we also have 5 monsters about to be released. we have been busy as hell so no time for posting stuff. 3 of them have a nitrous/TT or ST setup though and will be very very fast. more stuff soon...

 

So how much timing did you pull for that small shot? I gotta be honest, Id love some N20 for getting out of the hole (until an EM comes out I like with a working 2 step) and for those REALLY fast guys I may come across. Sucks more tuners dont try new things man...

 

Nitrous and meth both have their advantages and places where they will work best, but the argument is somewhat apples to oranges. Meth is great in a street setup where you want a little more power on pumpgas - be it through increased boost, advanced timing, etc. Nitrous is great all around because you get instant torque, more power, cold charge, and you dont have to up boost (you can go beyond what a turbo setup is capable of) for an increase in power.

Nitrous on a setup like this is awesome because we know the turbonetics kit is not the most efficient setup for high power. So, leave the boost where it is making power, and spray on top for additional power. Once you max out the turbo (not saying that is the situation here at 5psi), adding meth and turning it up further isn't going to give the gains that adding a 50 shot, 100shot, etc would. Also Alberto raised a good point about launching- if you have the traction, the hit of nitrous will bring you out harder than the guy next to you on meth