how much can utec handle
#21
Originally Posted by Jay'Z
I have the same problems as Alberto at partial throttle.......
#22
Originally Posted by Hal@IP
Time to join the dark side... with up to 32x32 maps, all of that goes away. That many cells (1024) is not always necessary due to perfect interpolation between the points, and VE tuning. The "transition" that many UTEC users complain about does not exist with the Haltech, because it controls the injectors 100% of the time.
Last edited by stormcrow; 01-03-2008 at 03:50 PM.
#24
It's a 12x12. They were post to come out with a upgrade wayback. Never heard the lastest on it. Really haven't looked lately. Kind of gave up.
Last edited by VIZAGE; 01-03-2008 at 02:43 PM.
#27
wow 12 x 12. That does seem a bit low. So as far as i can tell the HKS FCon iS unit is superior to the Utec. I suppose people just don't like the fact that it's locked. For the price i would rather go with the HKS unit though.
#28
Hi i have ST turbonetic right now on my car. By the end of May i will have my short block done on my 350z stage-1. My goal is to be in the range of 460whp - 480whp @ around 15psi with turbonetic with stage-1 short block. Will UTEC be a good way to go for my power goal and 15psi on Single Turbo, and for day to day driving. I know that HKS F-con will be a better choice but i don't have an extra $2000 to spent. Will it be a big difference in driving between UTEC and HKS F-con at my power goal.
Alberto - Do u think i will have same throttle problems @ 460 - 480whp with UTEC on my ST as you have on your TT car with 600whp.
Thanx to all and Happy New Year.
Alberto - Do u think i will have same throttle problems @ 460 - 480whp with UTEC on my ST as you have on your TT car with 600whp.
Thanx to all and Happy New Year.
#29
wow 15 psi seems like a high psi for 460-480whp. I'd think it'd be more like 12-13 psi on a ST. Then again, 460-480whp would probably be making like 470-520 tq right?
anyway, I'm glad I spent the extra money on the fcon V-pro and no longer getting one ems, then trying out another, then another, etc. The Fcon has everything you'd really ever need except VTC control, but if you don't have a crazy cam profile that's probably not a huge deal. It's just nice to have that aspect of the car DONE with
anyway, I'm glad I spent the extra money on the fcon V-pro and no longer getting one ems, then trying out another, then another, etc. The Fcon has everything you'd really ever need except VTC control, but if you don't have a crazy cam profile that's probably not a huge deal. It's just nice to have that aspect of the car DONE with
Last edited by sentry65; 01-04-2008 at 10:51 AM.
#30
Originally Posted by fairl80z
Hi i have ST turbonetic right now on my car. By the end of May i will have my short block done on my 350z stage-1. My goal is to be in the range of 460whp - 480whp @ around 15psi with turbonetic with stage-1 short block. Will UTEC be a good way to go for my power goal and 15psi on Single Turbo, and for day to day driving. I know that HKS F-con will be a better choice but i don't have an extra $2000 to spent. Will it be a big difference in driving between UTEC and HKS F-con at my power goal.
Alberto - Do u think i will have same throttle problems @ 460 - 480whp with UTEC on my ST as you have on your TT car with 600whp.
Thanx to all and Happy New Year.
Alberto - Do u think i will have same throttle problems @ 460 - 480whp with UTEC on my ST as you have on your TT car with 600whp.
Thanx to all and Happy New Year.
#31
Originally Posted by fairl80z
Hi i have ST turbonetic right now on my car. By the end of May i will have my short block done on my 350z stage-1. My goal is to be in the range of 460whp - 480whp @ around 15psi with turbonetic with stage-1 short block. Will UTEC be a good way to go for my power goal and 15psi on Single Turbo, and for day to day driving. I know that HKS F-con will be a better choice but i don't have an extra $2000 to spent. Will it be a big difference in driving between UTEC and HKS F-con at my power goal.
Alberto - Do u think i will have same throttle problems @ 460 - 480whp with UTEC on my ST as you have on your TT car with 600whp.
Thanx to all and Happy New Year.
Alberto - Do u think i will have same throttle problems @ 460 - 480whp with UTEC on my ST as you have on your TT car with 600whp.
Thanx to all and Happy New Year.
#32
Originally Posted by fairl80z
Hi i have ST turbonetic right now on my car. By the end of May i will have my short block done on my 350z stage-1. My goal is to be in the range of 460whp - 480whp @ around 15psi with turbonetic with stage-1 short block. Will UTEC be a good way to go for my power goal and 15psi on Single Turbo, and for day to day driving. I know that HKS F-con will be a better choice but i don't have an extra $2000 to spent. Will it be a big difference in driving between UTEC and HKS F-con at my power goal.
Alberto - Do u think i will have same throttle problems @ 460 - 480whp with UTEC on my ST as you have on your TT car with 600whp.
Thanx to all and Happy New Year.
Alberto - Do u think i will have same throttle problems @ 460 - 480whp with UTEC on my ST as you have on your TT car with 600whp.
Thanx to all and Happy New Year.
#33
The Haltech seems pretty good
it wasn't available 8-10 months ago when I went with the Fcon Vpro, otherwise I might have considered it
however the Haltech is still new. Even the UTEC was hailed as the most awesome thing ever for awhile until people started realizing it's shortcomings after they ran it for a while. Or the Emanage Ultimate was supposed to be amazing when it first came out...only to find out they can kinda suck.
Not saying the Haltech will have any shortcomings or glitches etc since it's still pretty early to know yet.
The Fcons are pretty solid and well established with the only real problems being they cost more, they're locked, and they can't directly control the cams. It was a pretty predictable purchase knowing those were really the only bad things to expect with pretty much no chance of glitches or flaws showing up later down the road
it wasn't available 8-10 months ago when I went with the Fcon Vpro, otherwise I might have considered it
however the Haltech is still new. Even the UTEC was hailed as the most awesome thing ever for awhile until people started realizing it's shortcomings after they ran it for a while. Or the Emanage Ultimate was supposed to be amazing when it first came out...only to find out they can kinda suck.
Not saying the Haltech will have any shortcomings or glitches etc since it's still pretty early to know yet.
The Fcons are pretty solid and well established with the only real problems being they cost more, they're locked, and they can't directly control the cams. It was a pretty predictable purchase knowing those were really the only bad things to expect with pretty much no chance of glitches or flaws showing up later down the road
Last edited by sentry65; 01-04-2008 at 11:30 AM.
#34
Originally Posted by sentry65
The Haltech seems pretty good
it wasn't available 8-10 months ago when I went with the Fcon Vpro, otherwise I might have considered it
however the Haltech is still new. Even the UTEC was hailed as the most awesome thing ever for awhile until people started realizing it's shortcomings after they ran it for a while. Or the Emanage Ultimate was supposed to be amazing when it first came out...only to find out they can kinda suck.
Not saying the Haltech will have any shortcomings or glitches etc since it's still pretty early to know yet. But the Fcons are pretty solid and well established with the only real problems being they cost more, they're locked, and they can't directly control the cams.
it wasn't available 8-10 months ago when I went with the Fcon Vpro, otherwise I might have considered it
however the Haltech is still new. Even the UTEC was hailed as the most awesome thing ever for awhile until people started realizing it's shortcomings after they ran it for a while. Or the Emanage Ultimate was supposed to be amazing when it first came out...only to find out they can kinda suck.
Not saying the Haltech will have any shortcomings or glitches etc since it's still pretty early to know yet. But the Fcons are pretty solid and well established with the only real problems being they cost more, they're locked, and they can't directly control the cams.
The FCON has been out for many years and it's proven. The biggest con is that is is locked, but that really is a non-issue, as once it's tuned you don't need to touch it, PERIOD! I drove on the same tune for over 1.5 years, without needing a single tweak (once it was properly tuned). So many people on this fourm talk chit about how they like to tweak their cars, but seriously, 97% of them wouldn't know what to tweak on a tuning map. Tuning a map is not like changing an air filter or spark plugs. To further expand on my point, look at the DIY projects (engine builds, ST or TT installs) that end up going bad. Now imagine these same people tuning their own cars or even messing around with the map after a professional tune.
Last edited by Gman2004; 01-04-2008 at 12:31 PM.
#35
Originally Posted by ReV2Red
If you can't afford a V-Pro, why don't you try the F-Con iS. Its about the same price bracket as the UTEC, and has higher resolution. From what i gather it's a better unit, just not user tuneable.
With V-PRO i will need on top of the unit ($1,350) Harness: $500, MAP Sensor: $250.00. Right???
Will i need a Map sensor and harness with F-con iS??? How much is the unit???
Also what else i will need with Haltech??? Just the unit or also Map sensor and harness
What you mean by NOT USER TUNEABLE??? - No custom tune, just the tune from Maps that comes with unitt
#36
I don't think any of the Fcons come with maps
only authorized HKS dealers can tune the fcons. You and other tuners can't tune it, it's locked so you don't have the software to interface with it.
the IS is a piggyback
the V-pro is a full standalone
only authorized HKS dealers can tune the fcons. You and other tuners can't tune it, it's locked so you don't have the software to interface with it.
the IS is a piggyback
the V-pro is a full standalone
#37
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Originally Posted by sentry65
I don't think any of the Fcons come with maps
only authorized HKS dealers can tune the fcons. You and other tuners can't tune it, it's locked so you don't have the software to interface with it.
the IS is a piggyback
the V-pro is a full standalone
only authorized HKS dealers can tune the fcons. You and other tuners can't tune it, it's locked so you don't have the software to interface with it.
the IS is a piggyback
the V-pro is a full standalone
in addition, if you have one authorized dealer tune the FCON and decide to go with another tuner that also is an authorized dealer/tuner for HKS...they will need the original tuner's password to gain access to the FCON for tuning.
#38
Originally Posted by sentry65
I don't think any of the Fcons come with maps
only authorized HKS dealers can tune the fcons. You and other tuners can't tune it, it's locked so you don't have the software to interface with it.
the IS is a piggyback
the V-pro is a full standalone
only authorized HKS dealers can tune the fcons. You and other tuners can't tune it, it's locked so you don't have the software to interface with it.
the IS is a piggyback
the V-pro is a full standalone
One think is UTEC standalone unit or piggyback.
Thanx for answering my questions. Its a black magic to me. I do try best
#40
Originally Posted by sentry65
UTEC is a piggyback
I don't know tons about the Fcon iS. I think it'd probably be fine for 460-480whp and 15psi though
I don't know what harnesses etc you'll need for the iS
I don't know tons about the Fcon iS. I think it'd probably be fine for 460-480whp and 15psi though
I don't know what harnesses etc you'll need for the iS