In looking at the instructions, my setup doesn't really look like the pictures, I am going to show you guys via pics tonight or tomorrow morning the latest!

 

Yeah I wanna see the pics of what you are working with.

 

From what hes told me in a pm so far, I am not sure how hes got the piping set up at all, lol.

pics so we can fix you!

 

Hahaha, ok I called Turbonetics, told him my problem, and the Tech Greg said I don't have a problem at all, in the newer kits, these pipes pictured previously are not included, instead the wastegate is mounted as below (as in the UP TO DATE installation instructions which they FAILED to give me!):



Mine wategate is installed the same as this one so I guess here lies not the problem lol. It was raining so I couldn't get under the car. I called up TurboXS as well and they gave me some tricks to get the tune working with the base map. Its supposed to rain until tomorrow night so well see hopefully Saturday I will get to finish this install once and for all!

P.S. Thanks for all the help so far guys!

--Vinny

 

That is the old school piping, theres a block off there on my pipe, and the wastegate sticks out the front. Or am I backwards? lol

You can see how my wastegate is mounted in this pic:



That was when I still had a recirc wastegate, but regardless, the w/g is still in the same place.

 

Damn, so is mine old?

 

I'm pretty sure. I believe thats the old wastegate mounting location. My uppipe has the flange to mount one there, but it has a block off plate on it, and instead the wastegate is mounted towards the front like you see in the picture I posted.

 

Will my setup work? Is your new setup better for some reason? Can I just block off the exhaust flang and let the uppipe dump?

 

Honestly I dont know why they updated the piping to relocate the wastegate up front, but I'm sure there was a reason. Probably because it allows for a more natural flow of exhaust gasses when the wastegate is open, but thats just my guess.

I would wait for Ed to chime in.

Edit: actually I remember somewhat now.. It had to do with overboost issues on the old setup. When the wastegate was moved up front, in addition to pipe 21200 being needed to recirc wastegate gasses, 21427 was also needed. In the newest setup, TN replaces both 21200 and 21427 with pipe 21824. The wastegate on the newest setups is still in the same place as on mine, as shown.

So you have the old, old setup I'm afraid.

 

^^ Correct we relocated the wastegate due to overboost issues we had. As per the pictures I posted the old 2 pipes were ditched for one one pipe allowed better movement under load. The problem was the 21200 pipe would sometimes crack under heavy load. I never did swap to the new setup since my old setup is still running fine.

Vinny have you actually ran the car after all the issues and if so what are you boosting? I'll keep checking back on this thread till we get you running however you owe me some cold suds when I get back to New York..............

 

Ed, thanks for the update. I don't have any leaks or anything from the wastegate, I have gaskets in place as well so it seems ok. I did run the car around the block but this was before I fixed the SSV leaks. I haven't run the car since because it has been raining. I am going today to finish up the electrical portion (guages and Utec tunning) then Saturday hopefully I can take it for a run around the block again to see if I am facing any other problems. The only problem I have right now, I believe, is some white smoke coming from down behind the plenum. It smells like antifreeze, a few friends said, however I have yet to locate my problem hose. I am going to check again hopefully tonight, if not tomorrow when it stops raining.

--Vinny

 

nice vin!

cant wait to see this car finally run... lemme get it tuned! LoL

Ed, like always... helping out my peeps!

 

SSV Update
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Ok, NO MORE LEAKS FROM SSV YAY!...Did the ghetto test with a Cigar, no smoke was being sucked it and the SSV sounded like a normal plenum, no more sucking or screaking sound.

Turbo Update
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After wiring up the guages and everything nice, I started the car again (after SSV update and the LOAD of the Turbonetics Base Map for my Utec) and it idled perfectly. The only problems I noticed was a little oil leak from the oil pan 3 way that I had a friend help me install, he might not have used RTV sealant so I will do that tomorrow to stop the leak.

White Smoke Update
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When warming up the car, NO WHITE SMOKE! I thought to myself YAY, but...then after a test drive the smoke was back. However, idling the car again, the white spoke stopped. It makes me believe its only when driving or reving I am getting this misterious white smoke from behind the plenum and it also looks like its coming from under the down pipe or near the down pipe. It still smells like antifreeze. Grrrr.

Guages and BOV
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So after a test run around a few block radius, my Boost Guage does NOT pass ZERO what so ever, however the car is pulling hard and the BOV lets out the SWOOSH sound I previously didn't have. Also, my EGT tempt guage is slightly moving off Zero temp but its definatly not reading right. Also, my AEM Wideband just says --- and no reading comes up. Everything is hooked up perfect and neat with these guages, a friend who does electrical work for both cars and homes helped me with them today and advised something is not reading right.

Thats my update for the day guys, any advice on the stated current issues?

Thanks!

--Vinny

 

Hey whats that little adapter thing on your turbo feed line. Is that a reducer?

 

No, there are just two of the same fittings stacked. One was on the feed line when I got the kit used, the other one was already on the turbo cause it was brand new. I wasn't paying attention and didn't remove the one already on the feed line. It doesn't make any difference, but I'm going to take it off anyway when I install my oil restrictor.

 

Update:

Have not had a change to work on the car as of yet, been raining too much. I am going to patch the oil leak then bring it to Performance Motorsports on Saturday to fine tune the Utec, Guages and any problems I might be having.

 

Ok, update 10/9/08

I broke down and couldn't continue to troubleshoot, needed an additional set of eyes, brought the car to SpeedTech in Elmont, NY. After troubleshooting the guages, everything was fine. Oil leak was a simple fix, the oil sensor was not on tight enough. Other than that no leaks. Mechanics all drove the car to find ZERO boost. Since I had a hard time with the wastegate, I advised that he remove it and check it out for problems, SURE ENOUGH, I was missing the round two sized washer insert of the wastegate. So the smoke and non boosting problems were all a result of this missing. Without this insert, the exhaust was not building pressure but instead just escaping through the exhaust. Once the insert was out in the wastegate, the car was again tested, this time, 9lbs of boost reported on my boost guage, exhaust temp was reading but unfortunatly the AEM Wideband was still not reading. I am getting the car back today and will troubleshoot the Wideband myself, then hopefully off on Saturday to Performance Motorsports in Smithtown for a tune!

 

Good News. The AEM wideband has only 2 sets of wires. The first set comprises of the power and ground. Very easy to trace if you can get behind the actual gauge. The second is the sensor line that goes to the actual o2 sensor. As well, if you can get behind the gauge, first check to see that both sets are plugged in accordingly to the back of the gauge. (They can sometimes get disconnected when you set the gauge in place.)
Lastly, you would want to make sure that any of the lines didn't get cut or damaged when/if they were passed thru your firewall. Especially if they didn't use a rubber grommet or tape of something to protect the wire, it would then be easy to damage 1 wire and throw off your gauge reading.
Good Luck.

 

The washer insert I am talking about can be seem in the below pic from another member, this is a Greddy wastegate but same concept as the Turbonetics model.



You can see on the left, on the bottom of the wastegate, the circlular insert, I was missing that, it must have fell out as I was putting it on, wrestling with it. Now that its back in, all seems well. Final tests from SpeedTech today will confirm if I am good to go.

QUESTION: On the Turbonetics Wastegate, I have two holes, one is for the dump from the Turbo but what is the other for? Do I plug it or leave it open?

--Vinny

 

Thank you, I will check that out when I begin troubleshooting either today or tomorrow.

--Vinny