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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 05:35 AM
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Default APS TT + APS 3.5" downpipe

I tried searching the forum but can't seem to find many people running the 3.5" downpipe apart from maximumsportz.

I have a few questions plus I would like to hear from people that actually have it and used it.

1) How do you like it? Droning?
2) What exhaust you have connected with the downpipe? I have Greddy EvoTT
3) Did you change over from a HFC setup or TP setup? I have FI Metallic HFC
4) How did it affect your AFR?
5) Difference in turbo spool?
My turbo's seems to flow seamless with the output of the motor. You really can't tell when they kick in.
6) What kind of gains did you see from this upgrade?
7) Does a adapter exist to add a Tial BOV to the APS TT system?
I use to have a adapter plate to add the HKS SSQV BOV to the APS system.

I know I will probably need a tune.
I do have a map that adds a little extra fuel for track events.
If I do have to get it retuned I have a set of DW600cc injectors I might as well throw in.
Would I have to revert the injector harness back to stock over the one that the APS kit comes with?

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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 05:51 AM
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What size are the stock DPs on the APS kit?? I can't see needing anything larger than a 3" on a twin kit. A pair of 3" DPs would be good for 700 RWHP per turbo.... or 1400 RWHP total.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 06:08 AM
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What size are the stock DPs on the APS kit?? I can't see needing anything larger than a 3" on a twin kit. A pair of 3" DPs would be good for 700 RWHP per turbo.... or 1400 RWHP total.
The stock downpipes are cast 2.5" which mates to the stock Cats or HFC.
The pipes I'm talking about are made specifically for the APS TT Kit.

http://www.airpowersystems.com/350z/...test_pipes.htm

While we are at it.
CJM Stage2 Fuel return system would have I have to change anything in the Gas tank sender unit over the APS modification?

http://www.airpowersystems.com/350z/...uel%20Pump.pdf

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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Glex25
I tried searching the forum but can't seem to find many people running the 3.5" downpipe apart from maximumsportz.

I have a few questions plus I would like to hear from people that actually have it and used it.

1) How do you like it? Droning?

Basically sound no different than the 2.5" down pipes. the catback is going to determine if the car drones


2) What exhaust you have connected with the downpipe? APS 2.5" ->The 3" is INSANELY loud.

3) Did you change over from a HFC setup or TP setup? I swapped out from the 2.5" APS pipes

4) How did it affect your AFR?
Don't know exactly because I did it at the same time as other parts and had the car retuned. If the catback is kept the same, it isn't going to be a dramatic difference

5) Difference in turbo spool?
Doubt you would be able to tell, but with the retune, my power seemed to come on slightly faster.

6) What kind of gains did you see from this upgrade?
This will really depend on what your build consists of... if this is a stock motor, the pipes are not limiting the power so there really is no gains. If you are pushing the limits of a full build, it may help a bit, or at the least take some thermal load off the motor


7) Does a adapter exist to add a Tial BOV to the APS TT system?
[B]If one doesn't, I am sure you could have a shop weld in the appropriate plate/bungB]

I know I will probably need a tune.
If all you are adding is the larger test pipes, a retune would be advisable, but doubt it would be 100% necessary

I do have a map that adds a little extra fuel for track events.
If I do have to get it retuned I have a set of DW600cc injectors I might as well throw in.
Would I have to revert the injector harness back to stock over the one that the APS kit comes with?
I believe the DW injectors use the stock loom. if you use them, you will definitely need a retune. be advised the FPR on the APS supplied fuel system is .5 bar higher and your injectors will be pushing more fuel than the 600cc they are rated
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Glex25

While we are at it.
CJM Stage2 Fuel return system would have I have to change anything in the Gas tank sender unit over the APS modification?

http://www.airpowersystems.com/350z/...uel%20Pump.pdf
If you went with the CJM fuel system, you could reuse the pump. In terms of the assembly, I think you would have to track down a stock assembly and modify it to fit the CJM setup.

All that said, what is your setup all including? You can get to mid 500's on the APS supplied fuel system (even on a lower compression motor) simply by moving to a larger set of injectors
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 10:13 AM
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Ziv I have a motor I'm tearing down for a build.
I'm still on stock block @ this time.

For some reason my tuner believes my HFC might be creating
backpressure to the point that it might be stressing the wastegate solenoid.

When I first got the APS system installed I use to see smoke coming out of my exhaust
on deceleration and since then I have used HFC. I have done the shortening of the
oil return tube per APS instructions and hopefully that issue will not rear its ugly head
with the new pipes.

For now I'm just looking to add the pipes but if i need a retune I would like to
add the additional fuel elements so when its time to replace the block it will be
less things I will need to troubleshoot in case something goes wrong.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 10:30 AM
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I have the APSTT w/ the 3.5 downpipes w/ the ssq attached w/ the adapter. I'm running the APS big pipes as well. There is drone, but the overall experience when you jump on it is well worth it. My turbos spool fairly quickly but they are rebuilt APS ones with different CHRA's. ( No smoking now)The swap netted me about 20-30 less HP but 20-30 more torque. The exhaust setup has been on my car since I went FI so I'm afraid I don't have anything to compare it to.
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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Glex25
Ziv I have a motor I'm tearing down for a build.
I'm still on stock block @ this time.

For some reason my tuner believes my HFC might be creating
backpressure to the point that it might be stressing the wastegate solenoid.

Why do you say "for some reason"? This is exactly what I would expect from a restrictive exhaust (which is what any exhaust system that has a catalytic converter is)

When I first got the APS system installed I use to see smoke coming out of my exhaust
on deceleration and since then I have used HFC. I have done the shortening of the
oil return tube per APS instructions and hopefully that issue will not rear its ugly head
with the new pipes.

Would think it was nothing more than improper oil level or the returns

For now I'm just looking to add the pipes but if i need a retune I would like to
add the additional fuel elements so when its time to replace the block it will be
less things I will need to troubleshoot in case something goes wrong.

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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 01:26 PM
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Ziv u a meanie

Yeah I know the HFC are holding me back.
As I said I'm just afraid of the oil smoke on deceleration coming back
(The return line has been modified per APS instructions and oil level is always on point no higher than the L line on the dipstick)
and If it was test pipes that was needed then the APS 3.5" is the way I would go.

They should be at my house by tomorrow
I'm more afraid of how far my AFR would be going from HFC
to TP.

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Old Nov 19, 2008 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Glex25
Ziv u a meanie

Yeah I know the HFC are holding me back.
As I said I'm just afraid of the oil smoke on deceleration coming back
(The return line has been modified per APS instructions and oil level is always on point no higher than the L line on the dipstick)

Not really sure how test pipes would have anything to do with the oil situation I am just a simple farmer though

and If it was test pipes that was needed then the APS 3.5" is the way I would go.

They should be at my house by tomorrow
I'm more afraid of how far my AFR would be going from HFC
to TP.
going from HFC to big test pipes will definitely affect your AFRs, but more so your boost levels. I bet you see at least a couple more PSI of boost with the move. That is what you will need to get retuned for

Good luck
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