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Old May 29, 2009 | 04:47 PM
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I'm looking to build a motor not for peak power but for sustain power all the way up to 8000RPM.

I been reading a bit about trying to order the lightest parts for less stress and better rotational speeds.

Now my question is if your looking to build a motor to sustain power up to 8k RPM which parts would be looking at for a fresh VQ35DE Revup build.

Would it be lightest?
Strongest?
Which parts in particular would give you the qualities you are looking for?
Can the VQ Revup oil pump handle the additional demand?
What additional Items apart from the obvious(Radiator, Pathfinder cooling mod) would be needed?
Modification of existing parts if needed?
Would the Revup VQ heads hinder the above goal without modification apart from some upgraded Valve Springs/Shims/Cams?

This will be done using a APS Standard TT kit for the best response, possibly GTM 3071R .64AR for better spool response and peak power.

Any help would be appreciated
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Old May 29, 2009 | 05:49 PM
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Sounds like you should look at Cosworth parts!! Intense has a bunch on special as well as built long and short blocks from cosworth...

http://www.intensepower.com/enpe.html
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Old May 30, 2009 | 05:48 AM
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Sounds like you should look at Cosworth parts!! Intense has a bunch on special as well as built long and short blocks from cosworth...

http://www.intensepower.com/enpe.html
I actually have a great machine shop locally plus Headgames is in my state also

If not then I will drop off my motor at one of the northeast shops
and let them do their thing.

As far as electronics I believe I already got everything covered with:

IP Osiris Flash on the OEM ECU
Haltech
Haltech BCS
Haltech AIT Sensor
HKS Camp 2
HKS IF Unit
HKS Boost/Oil Pressure/Oil Temp Sensors
AEM Wideband
Meth Kit
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Old May 30, 2009 | 06:20 AM
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You should definately have a conversation with Dave at Headgames. I'm sure he will be able to give you input on what mods he can offer on the heads to help sustain those rpms. I would think titanium everything for low weight vs extreme durability....get your wallet out though.

The shop that built my current motor, Justice Racing Engines, builds a lot of race motors for road course cars. You may want to give them a call as well.

http://www.justiceracingengines.com/index.htm

Good Luck with your project Glex.
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Old May 30, 2009 | 06:34 AM
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pretty much no one better than headgames for the top end.
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Old May 30, 2009 | 06:56 AM
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I think what you'll find is you certainly do not need titanium anything, let alone everything, to sustain those revs on these heads.

That being said, Dave would be your best resource Gio, he's a good guy, straightforward and honest, and he's not going to suggest stuff you truly don't need. One of the few guys out there who knows these heads backwards and forwards, vs most everyone else.

The revup pump will certainly work to that rpm...redline on my car has been at 8400 for 1 month shy of 2 years now, on a std. revup pump. The NISMO pump maybe worth looking into as well, as it put out a bit more volume and has a further reinforced case.

As far as the heads, nothing unique or special about making the power with revup heads vs non aside from the obvious. That being said, and I know Dave @ HG will confirm, the heads are where your power, and sustained torque will be, especially in the relationship between the cam/intake and exhaust manifold, and headwork. Get it right, and you'll have more than enough power on demand, without having to run crazy boost to get there. Ultimately, that should be the goal. Shaving weight from the car itself is the other goal

As with any other type of build for this type of usage, budget is the great equalizer. If you need any help, you know where to find me

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Old May 30, 2009 | 07:22 AM
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After seeing SP's oil pump, my balancer, and bwicked's slew of balancer's I would recommend a fluid dampener as well.

Also their are a few intake mani's coming on the market in the next few months that may fit your bill better than anything else available now. Of course we have to wait and see the results but they may be options as well.

Tom

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I think what you'll find is you certainly do not need titanium anything, let alone everything, to sustain those revs on these heads.

That being said, Dave would be your best resource Gio, he's a good guy, straightforward and honest, and he's not going to suggest stuff you truly don't need. One of the few guys out there who knows these heads backwards and forwards, vs most everyone else.

The revup pump will certainly work to that rpm...redline on my car has been at 8400 for 1 month shy of 2 years now, on a std. revup pump. The NISMO pump maybe worth looking into as well, as it put out a bit more volume and has a further reinforced case.

As far as the heads, nothing unique or special about making the power with revup heads vs non aside from the obvious. That being said, and I know Dave @ HG will confirm, the heads are where your power, and sustained torque will be, especially in the relationship between the cam/intake and exhaust manifold, and headwork. Get it right, and you'll have more than enough power on demand, without having to run crazy boost to get there. Ultimately, that should be the goal. Shaving weight from the car itself is the other goal

As with any other type of build for this type of usage, budget is the great equalizer. If you need any help, you know where to find me
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Old May 30, 2009 | 09:42 AM
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Fluidampr/ATI would be part of any serious build IMHO
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Old May 30, 2009 | 04:51 PM
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Thanks Adam, Cass and Thom

Adam you know I'm definitely working on the weight issue including the driver.
G35 is a pig and the driver is not far from it

K enough of that

So one question is rotational mass within the shortblock since it seems the heads have been addressed.

Shaving the crank?
Lightweight piston?rods?which would fill that criteria?

Fluidampr/ATI is a given

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