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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 07:57 AM
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Sure, but you will get 'budget' results.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 07:59 AM
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Someone couldn't even get a ride in your G without writing you a check for $6k! LOL!
Show up to ZdayZ to the airport event...
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 08:10 AM
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You can do it for under $5000, if you got skills (welding/fabricating/mechanical). That includes fuel return, clutch flywheel, gauges, EMS...ect.

You can buy used injectors for a good price as well as a UTEC.

Most people here take a car to the shop and say "I want 400whp, do it for me" that is why you get these " you need at least $12k to turbo it" lines all the time.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by gennosuke1
I have been looking at the good and bad stories as well as the prices for F/I. some run into problems and other don't, Some people end up building their cars while others don't.. etc. I probably wont end up building my car. I was just wondering is it possible to go F/I under 6k? Lets say you pick up a Vortech superchrger or stillen etc and have it installed. Is there anything else have to lookout for? I am aiming to get 380400whp and it will be used as a DD.

I already have the ugraded my brakes and am on coils so i dont need anything from those categories..

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Boostedprobe, he obviously doesnt have your skills..
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 08:30 AM
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impossible. i dont even think you can get twins for 6k. i bought mine from greddy for 6300. installation, tune, extra parts came out around 9k. injurred soldiers get special privilages.

i wouldnt buy used turbos either. if you really want it get another job on the side. keep in mind FI isnt cheap and sometimes unreliable as in no warrantee.

my tuner said that he could get me a supercharger kit for 5300, look into that. it has less parts and it takes less time to install so i am assuming that it wont cost as much as turbos

cheer up guy, some projects dont happen overnite.

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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 08:39 AM
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I wanted to stay on a budget when I did my TT install too. I started looking around, first looked at the PL kit (which is what you should be thinking of v.s stillen) and soon realized that like all the other guys, the budget had to go. I only wanted to spend 5k, and that was gone in a couple of hours for necessary supporting mods. Point is, you need to be expecting the unecpected, i'm well over 12k into my setup now for the TT setup and also the things that i've broken or damaged with all the excess power.

The car is only as strong as the weakest link, and without the proper supporting mods, an FI setup is going to be worthless unless its got all necessary mods to run properly.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 08:50 AM
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OP...my take...you can do it on a "budget" if you are using it as a way to have some more cash saved just in case you need to trouble shoot the car etc.
6k is pushign it.... and only way would be on a used kit...
Now, some kits like PL are quite complete out the box and you can save a bit more on a DIY, but still will push over 6k. You dont wanna shrotcut the tune.....now if the install and tune is good you can get what can be considered "reliable" for FI, which is more of saying: it can still blow up(dependign on bad luck, driving habbits, bad install) but somewhat safe.... keep the boost levels low and you can increase the longetivity. THings you can do more on a budget are, you dont need a 1500$ exhaust...you dont need Fuel return, you dont need 750+cc injectors....you dont need 2000$ ems.....now by that i dont mean, do ssbox, keep stock injectors ....but you get the point that there are a few areas that i think you have some room...but overall you shoudl be doing that because you rather have more funds saved up for futuremods or for other fixes or when it blows up .

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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 08:52 AM
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I did a "Budget" build for 10K. This was with engine build, clutch install, guage install, and TN kit install. That of course isn't adding in the cost of parts.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 08:53 AM
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Maybe the direction for your Z could be different. I myself tried to map out a "budget" FI job on my Z, and the numbers kept on growing. Even with me doing all of the work in my garage. My car is not a DD and yours is, things will come up. Your money could go to cams, lighter body parts, tires/wheels and some track time.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 08:58 AM
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set a budget for whatever you can afford plus 10khandy just in case.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Nexx
set a budget for whatever you can afford plus 25k handy just in case.
Fixed..
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Nexx
set a budget for whatever you can afford plus 10khandy just in case.

My car should be being fired up as we speak... built engine etc etc. The only things I managed to stay on my original budget were things I had control over (the parts i bought).

Labour has, despite having been given a "quote" initially, literally doubled up to date. So many things slowing down the build, things to customise, adjust etc....
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay'Z
Fixed..
hehe, well 10k if you wanna just go back to a stock block, 25k if you want to do it right so you dont have to spend another 10k after the first 10k backup is used.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Nexx
hehe, well 10k if you wanna just go back to a stock block, 25k if you want to do it right so you dont have to spend another 10k after the first 10k backup is used.
Exactly!! 6k for budget build, once you get addicted you turn it up and it blows.. Then you buy another budget build stock engine and turbo kit = 15k, then you say **** it and finally build the engine to be safe = actually over 25k.. Sorry budget blown... Therefore, every person here is right.. FI w budget is just plain fail..
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 10:55 AM
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just to add, keep to well known/proven brands and steer clear of guys like this custom....
https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...turbo-kit.html
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BoostedProbe
You can do it for under $5000, if you got skills (welding/fabricating/mechanical). That includes fuel return, clutch flywheel, gauges, EMS...ect.

You can buy used injectors for a good price as well as a UTEC.

Most people here take a car to the shop and say "I want 400whp, do it for me" that is why you get these " you need at least $12k to turbo it" lines all the time.
I don't care how amazing you are welding/fabricating/mechanical.. you can't budget for when your motor blows.. its impossible to say i have X amount of money for FI.. **** breaks too easy
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 01:13 PM
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Stillen > Vortech. Life isn't always about power potential, it's the delivery of the power, the design of the unit, and the efficiency. If you're going to DD it, I suggest getting a Stillen and not have too many headaches to worry about. Vortech will have bugs here and there.

Make sure to have a few extra belts just incase something snaps. An extra 10k would be handy as well. Keep in mind you're putting something on an engine that was never meant to be there; there will always be little kinks to work out and extra dollars to spend. However, I wouldn't go so far as to "budget build" my car. In the end, you're going to be spending at least 10k. You're setting yourself up for disappointments and shortage of cash if you limit yourself at 6k.

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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
I don't care how amazing you are welding/fabricating/mechanical.. you can't budget for when your motor blows.. its impossible to say i have X amount of money for FI.. **** breaks too easy
I never said anything about blowing a motor. That is something completly different, and yes, very unpredictable.

I am just saying that the initial cost does not need to be a stupid amount of money, like many here are suggesting. Tuning is the key, and if done right, it has been proven that a stock motor can be "reliable" with 400whp. Again, the budget is directly related to how much stuff you are willing to do yourself.

Install and tunning can add up to $3500 alone.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 03:30 PM
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I bought my used Vortech Tuner Kit for $2700
New DWorks 600cc Injectors for $400
Walboro Fuel Pump for $120
Used Utec for $700
AEM Uego Wideband for $250
Autometer Boost Gauge for $65
Pillar mount for gauges $60
Megan Down Pipes for $200
Tuned at Forged for $500
Misc Parts for $200
JWT Oil Pan Spacer $100
Did the install myself for FREE
Total= $5296

So yes it is possible if you do the labor yourself but there are extras.....

You will need to upgrade the clutch

JWT Clutch $400
Labor to install the clutch and misc parts $700
SS Clutch Line $50?
Meth Kit $500
XO2 Exhaust $500 (Installed myself)
Powerlab Manifold Spacer $250
Misc Parts and Tools $500

Total $2900

Grand Total $8200 With doing all labor myself

add Labor and you are around $11,000

So to answer your question you can do FI for 6K but to do it right even with a used supercharger you are way over that figure. Hope this helps.

Also keep in mind that there are a lot of extra costs that I'm not adding in there such as belts and unexpected things that add up. I decided to drop to a 2.87 pulley and add my exhaust after the fact and had to get a re-tune, so there will be ongoing expenses so think of that 6k as your entry fee to FI. It really is worth it though the first time you waste that unsuspecting Vette or WRX, the look on their faces is priceless
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 01:08 AM
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^^Ahh Yess id love to unleash the power on the dam cocky drivers

Only if our car had stock turbo like sti but too bad it only came with 300z

Alright well to be more clear with everyone I am planning on going with the Supercahrger route not turbo so i am not looking at the extra stuff you need for turbo. Im a newbie so sorry if i mess somethings up, I am talking about UTEC etc..( iwouldnt think i need them

I would be looking at either vortech or the powerlab kit probably, living in Cali i dont want to risk getting caught with a turbo on my car.

Also I understand some people get offended when using "budget" and "F/I" because something can go wrong, that is true but ideally speaking... Do I really need to upgrade my clutch for that amount of power? I have asked some people on the forums and it seems that 380-400 seems the most reliable anything more than that is basically pushing ot along with how much boost you run.

If I am able to buy a Supercharger kit for 5-6k new and have a shop install it id be looking at close to 7k tops. I have asked around different shops as well knowing that they have worked in and out of the Z's and G's.. they told me that the setup id be wanting to go for is pretty reliable. One of the shops was Stillen and I know i can trust them working on my car whether or not i get a supercahrger from them.. Sorry if antyhing is mispelled its late rigth now
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