50k$ and an 06 6mt, what would you do?
01-26-2010, 10:24 AM
#61
if ur only looking to make 380-400whp its not even a question just do a stock block setup with all the extra supporting mods u can buy to be as safe as possible for the long run..stock motor will take that all day every day with a good tune for many many many miles and track days..
if ur looking for 500whp or around that mark u would be ok with a built shortblock, dont remember where u are located or gonna be but vinny does very very good work and only person besides myself i trust with my car, turn key packages and very good strong built motors...jsut throwing it out for ya http://vinnytenracing.com/engine/index.html
if ur looking for 500whp or around that mark u would be ok with a built shortblock, dont remember where u are located or gonna be but vinny does very very good work and only person besides myself i trust with my car, turn key packages and very good strong built motors...jsut throwing it out for ya http://vinnytenracing.com/engine/index.html
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01-26-2010, 10:27 AM
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[QUOTE=Highway Riding;8093456]
and spend 2x the money it would cost to get a VQ35 to the same level with any TT kit bolted up the VQ makes a fairly reliable 400whp on stock internals. Unless its a Nur motor the RB26 has a weak oil pump so I wouldn't put one in anything with out a rebuild and a nur spec oil pump this is the most uncost effective solution for a G/Z there is, this swap is strictly for people that want something "different".
The problem is sure everyone says 400 HP works on a VQ but i personally feel like i could break my car with some spirited driving in its' NA form now. Rev matching, staying in the upper RPM range for extended periods yada yada yada.
So when when pricing out a built block, TT kit, and EMS the price tag easily is what 18K without install-tune? Now i have recently seen a rb26dett long block go for 6K or so in "supposed" good condition key word being "supposed" then u need ems as always and in this case a modified 6sp rwd trans or rb25 trans. Point being and in the above case add a NISMO oil pump (1k) is that 20k might get the job done and might (sure keyword being might) be more reliable under 500HP! Then building a VQ only to pop it driving it like it was intended. Maybe some shops can chime in
i have been driving my stock block setup at 420whp (dynojet) for over 10k miles and there is many spirited driving miles in there..zero issues so far except my first weak sauce tune that was fixed... i think u are highly underestimating the vq
and spend 2x the money it would cost to get a VQ35 to the same level with any TT kit bolted up the VQ makes a fairly reliable 400whp on stock internals. Unless its a Nur motor the RB26 has a weak oil pump so I wouldn't put one in anything with out a rebuild and a nur spec oil pump this is the most uncost effective solution for a G/Z there is, this swap is strictly for people that want something "different".The problem is sure everyone says 400 HP works on a VQ but i personally feel like i could break my car with some spirited driving in its' NA form now. Rev matching, staying in the upper RPM range for extended periods yada yada yada.
So when when pricing out a built block, TT kit, and EMS the price tag easily is what 18K without install-tune? Now i have recently seen a rb26dett long block go for 6K or so in "supposed" good condition key word being "supposed" then u need ems as always and in this case a modified 6sp rwd trans or rb25 trans. Point being and in the above case add a NISMO oil pump (1k) is that 20k might get the job done and might (sure keyword being might) be more reliable under 500HP! Then building a VQ only to pop it driving it like it was intended. Maybe some shops can chime in
i have been driving my stock block setup at 420whp (dynojet) for over 10k miles and there is many spirited driving miles in there..zero issues so far except my first weak sauce tune that was fixed... i think u are highly underestimating the vq
01-26-2010, 10:38 AM
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[QUOTE=tylerxfire;8093465]this is the kind of first hand experience I am looking for. I realize that no build is perfect, and turbo charging a naturally aspirated engine is inherently complex, but based on the amount of kits out there and the success of shops like forged, it must be possible to do and still put miles on the car. Thanks for the input. I think maybe i should have initially said my goal wasnt to make huge numbers, just enough to have loads of fun and have a unique vehicle.
01-26-2010, 10:44 AM
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if ur only looking to make 380-400whp its not even a question just do a stock block setup with all the extra supporting mods u can buy to be as safe as possible for the long run..stock motor will take that all day every day with a good tune for many many many miles and track days..
if ur looking for 500whp or around that mark u would be ok with a built shortblock, dont remember where u are located or gonna be but vinny does very very good work and only person besides myself i trust with my car, turn key packages and very good strong built motors...jsut throwing it out for ya http://vinnytenracing.com/engine/index.html
if ur looking for 500whp or around that mark u would be ok with a built shortblock, dont remember where u are located or gonna be but vinny does very very good work and only person besides myself i trust with my car, turn key packages and very good strong built motors...jsut throwing it out for ya http://vinnytenracing.com/engine/index.html
01-26-2010, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Highway Riding;8093456/
The problem is sure everyone says 400 HP works on a VQ but i personally feel like i could break my car with some spirited driving in its' NA form now. Rev matching, staying in the upper RPM range for extended periods yada yada yada.
So when when pricing out a built block, TT kit, and EMS the price tag easily is what 18K without install-tune? Now i have recently seen a rb26dett long block go for 6K or so in "supposed" good condition key word being "supposed" then u need ems as always and in this case a modified 6sp rwd trans or rb25 trans. Point being and in the above case add a NISMO oil pump (1k) is that 20k might get the job done and might (sure keyword being might) be more reliable under 500HP! Then building a VQ only to pop it driving it like it was intended. Maybe some shops can chime in
The reason "everyone" says 400whp is safe is because most of us started there with a TT kit and 400whp on a stock block. Not alot of guys run into issues with a good tune at 400whp, the only thing is 400whp soon becomes not eough then guys move on to built engines. I had lots of track days on my 400whp stock block car and it was rock solid not the slightest issue ever. The RB is going to be very expensive, you have to buy it, get it shipped, buy the tranny, then most of them don't come with turbos+ intercooler and custom piping+custom motor and tranny mounts+ custom wiring+EMS+new oil pump+you have to tear the engine down to install the pump so you need new gaskets as well. For less than $15,000 I got a TT kit and it installed and ran 400whp all day long with not a hicup, a RB you be chasing gremlins for awhile its just not a feasable swap for the average guy looking to make 400whp. Thats why the swap is few and far between.
01-26-2010, 10:55 AM
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^^^plus if we were talking swaps id do a 2jz and boost it to the mooooooonnnnnn.....lol or a boosted ls2 in there would do the trick...na in seriousness the vq is a great motor to throw a little boost at just do it right...the 400whp area is alot of fun and very reliable and good for stock block, i agree there is a hunger for more and i feel a built shortblock and some good boost to the 500whp margin is very obtainable and safe for everyone on a good built shortblock and very streetable so its all in if u wanna spend the cash on the motor or not
01-26-2010, 11:19 AM
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Best theory is 7200rpm redline bump from 6600rpm's under boost. The tune was actually very smooth once timing was bumped back from when I picked it up, it occasionally detonated so I adjusted that.
It made 390whp and then was detuned 2x from there, so final numbers were ??
It never one time overboosted.
It made 390whp and then was detuned 2x from there, so final numbers were ??
It never one time overboosted.
01-26-2010, 11:25 AM
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Best theory is 7200rpm redline bump from 6600rpm's under boost. The tune was actually very smooth once timing was bumped back from when I picked it up, it occasionally detonated so I adjusted that.
It made 390whp and then was detuned 2x from there, so final numbers were ??
It never one time overboosted.
It made 390whp and then was detuned 2x from there, so final numbers were ??
It never one time overboosted.
yeah i think i actaully talked to u along time ago about that and that played a part in me leaving my rev limit at 6600...i dont recommend bumping it for safety op..
01-26-2010, 12:07 PM
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the maximum deposit limit for 2010 is 16.5 into tsp. and while I wouldnt pay taxes on it now, uncle sam would still take his chunk upon withdrawal. There are better options as far as money management goes. TSP tends to be inflexible and from my experience they are typical government drones when trying to get customer service from them. USAA is so much easier to deal with and their choice of funds is great. Just by looking right at the first two on my list, their International Fund has returned 32% since start of fiscal year 09, 14.4% five year. Don't believe the propaganda about TSP, their are better options with a bit of research.
edit- please give me car suggestions. im a dual income household with no kids and a relatively healthy investment portfolio. im no millionaire but if i stay on track retirement at fifty is realistic
edit- please give me car suggestions. im a dual income household with no kids and a relatively healthy investment portfolio. im no millionaire but if i stay on track retirement at fifty is realistic
01-26-2010, 12:07 PM
#73
you have 1 of 3 options
1. irresponsibly- trade in the g35 for a used GTR/ used porsche 911. DONE DEAL
2. mediocre- spend like 10-15k on building/bossting the g35
3. FULLY responsible- pay off bills, and invest the rest, and maybe buy an exhaust, plenum spacer, intake, testpipes and a reflash.
1. irresponsibly- trade in the g35 for a used GTR/ used porsche 911. DONE DEAL
2. mediocre- spend like 10-15k on building/bossting the g35
3. FULLY responsible- pay off bills, and invest the rest, and maybe buy an exhaust, plenum spacer, intake, testpipes and a reflash.
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01-26-2010, 12:45 PM
#74
[QUOTE=Highway Riding;8093456]
and spend 2x the money it would cost to get a VQ35 to the same level with any TT kit bolted up the VQ makes a fairly reliable 400whp on stock internals. Unless its a Nur motor the RB26 has a weak oil pump so I wouldn't put one in anything with out a rebuild and a nur spec oil pump this is the most uncost effective solution for a G/Z there is, this swap is strictly for people that want something "different".
The problem is sure everyone says 400 HP works on a VQ but i personally feel like i could break my car with some spirited driving in its' NA form now. Rev matching, staying in the upper RPM range for extended periods yada yada yada.
So when when pricing out a built block, TT kit, and EMS the price tag easily is what 18K without install-tune? Now i have recently seen a rb26dett long block go for 6K or so in "supposed" good condition key word being "supposed" then u need ems as always and in this case a modified 6sp rwd trans or rb25 trans. Point being and in the above case add a NISMO oil pump (1k) is that 20k might get the job done and might (sure keyword being might) be more reliable under 500HP! Then building a VQ only to pop it driving it like it was intended. Maybe some shops can chime in
You're comparing apples to oranges. You don't even need a fully built motor for 500whp or to be more reliable under boost.
and spend 2x the money it would cost to get a VQ35 to the same level with any TT kit bolted up the VQ makes a fairly reliable 400whp on stock internals. Unless its a Nur motor the RB26 has a weak oil pump so I wouldn't put one in anything with out a rebuild and a nur spec oil pump this is the most uncost effective solution for a G/Z there is, this swap is strictly for people that want something "different".The problem is sure everyone says 400 HP works on a VQ but i personally feel like i could break my car with some spirited driving in its' NA form now. Rev matching, staying in the upper RPM range for extended periods yada yada yada.
So when when pricing out a built block, TT kit, and EMS the price tag easily is what 18K without install-tune? Now i have recently seen a rb26dett long block go for 6K or so in "supposed" good condition key word being "supposed" then u need ems as always and in this case a modified 6sp rwd trans or rb25 trans. Point being and in the above case add a NISMO oil pump (1k) is that 20k might get the job done and might (sure keyword being might) be more reliable under 500HP! Then building a VQ only to pop it driving it like it was intended. Maybe some shops can chime in
You're comparing apples to oranges. You don't even need a fully built motor for 500whp or to be more reliable under boost.
01-26-2010, 01:00 PM
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[QUOTE=FineWine;8094006]The thought of a RB26 swap came up as a hypothetical scenario where one would have 50K on hand to perform a build as in the OP's initial post. Without digging up peoples disaster stories its no secret that a decent # of members have popped the motor on or under the 400 HP. I simply based the 400 HP # on the premise that a RB26 which was built for boost from the factory has to perform or be more reliable than a boosted "stock" VQ. Not bashing VQ's or guys who have built VQ's at all as one day i would hope to have one or the other.
01-26-2010, 01:12 PM
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There are a few cars on this forum with stock motors on boost running very well. Spend the money on getting a good kit, tune, supporting mods and have a good shop work on your car.
If it were me, I'd spend about 20K on this and invest the other 25K. Keep 5K for some what ifs along the way and find some good used parts on the marketplace for lower price to upgrade the Z.
Good luck bro!
The other option would be to find an already built car for sale. There's one here in Chicago for cheap considering what's been done. ( Think 774 whp TT Z )
You'd be an excellent buyer IMO....
Good luck with whichever decision you make. You can't lose either way
01-26-2010, 01:33 PM
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[QUOTE=Highway Riding;8094047]
The thought of a RB26 swap came up as a hypothetical scenario where one would have 50K on hand to perform a build as in the OP's initial post. Without digging up peoples disaster stories its no secret that a decent # of members have popped the motor on or under the 400 HP. I simply based the 400 HP # on the premise that a RB26 which was built for boost from the factory has to perform or be more reliable than a boosted "stock" VQ.
$2000 in pistons and rods is still cheaper than $6000 in an unmatched engine any way you put it.
If you want to argue that an RB26 is capable of holding more power than a stock block VQ35, that's another discussion.
The thought of a RB26 swap came up as a hypothetical scenario where one would have 50K on hand to perform a build as in the OP's initial post. Without digging up peoples disaster stories its no secret that a decent # of members have popped the motor on or under the 400 HP. I simply based the 400 HP # on the premise that a RB26 which was built for boost from the factory has to perform or be more reliable than a boosted "stock" VQ.
$2000 in pistons and rods is still cheaper than $6000 in an unmatched engine any way you put it.
If you want to argue that an RB26 is capable of holding more power than a stock block VQ35, that's another discussion.
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01-26-2010, 01:47 PM
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no im a sonar tech. The nukes on average get much better bonus's. They work insane hours underway and in port and have a ton of extra crap to deal with because of all the naval reactors procedure stuff. they have to follow a procedure to pretty much do anything back there in the engine room. I don't go back there unless I have too. Its hot and noisy and cramped and everywhere you look there is spinny pump things than can tear your arm off.
It was neat because we were there right after the November, 2006, Trident FCET, where 2 D5 missiles were launched.