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Old 06-15-2010, 06:17 PM
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hi all gunna keep this short and sweet aiming for 400whp on my '05 6spd touring coupe with the following setup let me know if you can think of anything else i need thanks.

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Vortech v3 tuner kit (getting 3.12 pulley)
Stillen Headers
Berk test pipes
Borla true dual exhaust
600cc injectors
UTEC w/ MAP sensor
Kinetix SSV intake manifold
Walboro 255lph fuel pump
JWT cltuch and flywheel
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- oil cooler
- bigger radiator
- 2.87 pulley (revup bracket comes with 3.12 pulley stock (85% sure of this) so discuss the extra boost with your tuner)
- HPX MAF (maybe. i'm not familiar with how the utec will manage your fuel, but if it relies on the stock MAF you're gonna max out the voltage...especially with the smaller pulley)

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You don't need the HPX with the UTEC. The MAP sensor overrides the MAF signal during boost.
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kinetix ssv ftl, sell that thing and buy the cosworth one guy has one sale in market place.
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Originally Posted by - bigc -
- oil cooler
- bigger radiator
- 2.87 pulley (revup bracket comes with 3.12 pulley stock (85% sure of this) so discuss the extra boost with your tuner)
- HPX MAF (maybe. i'm not familiar with how the utec will manage your fuel, but if it relies on the stock MAF you're gonna max out the voltage...especially with the smaller pulley)
I know the Oil Cooler doesn't hurt, but is it really needed for a self-lubricated supercharger?
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Originally Posted by Threads
I know the Oil Cooler doesn't hurt, but is it really needed for a self-lubricated supercharger?
oil cooler is a must with any sort of F/I imho.
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Originally Posted by djamps
You don't need the HPX with the UTEC. The MAP sensor overrides the MAF signal during boost.
good info!

Originally Posted by Threads
I know the Oil Cooler doesn't hurt, but is it really needed for a self-lubricated supercharger?
mos def. once you start monitoring your temps you'll see how difficult it is to cool your oil once you heat soak. the oil cooler is a must.
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Originally Posted by - bigc -
- oil cooler
- bigger radiator
- 2.87 pulley (revup bracket comes with 3.12 pulley stock (85% sure of this) so discuss the extra boost with your tuner)
- HPX MAF (maybe. i'm not familiar with how the utec will manage your fuel, but if it relies on the stock MAF you're gonna max out the voltage...especially with the smaller pulley)
mine is non revup so kit comes with 3.33 pulley stock why 2.87? also does the bigger radiator make that much of a difference?
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Originally Posted by Nexx
oil cooler is a must with any sort of F/I imho.
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mos def. once you start monitoring your temps you'll see how difficult it is to cool your oil once you heat soak. the oil cooler is a must.
Thanks for the info guys. I'll make sure to add it to my build. It gets hot down here in Louisiana!
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Originally Posted by - bigc -
good info!


mos def. once you start monitoring your temps you'll see how difficult it is to cool your oil once you heat soak. the oil cooler is a must.
451hp DD (507 DJ) on my built engine. oil temps never rose about 210 after a lot of boosting. a normal dragstrip run wouldn't eveen break 200* oil temps with my stock radiator and no oil cooler.

i'm not sure why people are having such a hard time with cooling issues.


the SSV intake isn't needed so save your cash.

i'd get a return fuel system from CJM though. It's not required but it'll make it a lot nicer on your fuel system and tuning.
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^ i saw as high as 230F on hot days out here in cali. that was enough to convince me an oil cooler was a good idea. even with my cooler, I hit +200 when driving in 100F weather on my way to vegas. i don't even want to think what the temps would have been without the cooler.
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mine is non revup so kit comes with 3.33 pulley stock why 2.87? also does the bigger radiator make that much of a difference?
i thought all '05+ 6MTs were revup. or is that just G35s?

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Originally Posted by Nexx
kinetix ssv ftl, sell that thing and buy the cosworth one guy has one sale in market place.
i got great gains with my REVISED kinitex SSV, i only paid $400 for mine though cosworth is great also...
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would i be better with an AAM fuel return system or a CJM its about a 300$ difference whats so much better about the CJM?
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with a vortech any fuel return system is fine. aam has had issues with their older fuel returns but theyre revised versions seem to work fine without issue. cjm just makes good quality stuff albeit a bit overpriced imho.
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Originally Posted by - bigc -
^ i saw as high as 230F on hot days out here in cali. that was enough to convince me an oil cooler was a good idea. even with my cooler, I hit +200 when driving in 100F weather on my way to vegas. i don't even want to think what the temps would have been without the cooler.

i thought all '05+ 6MTs were revup. or is that just G35s?
just g35's. g35's got the goods first, newer engines first, newer model changes first (g37).

and it gets 100+ here in the midwest. had it last year and even last week. Temps never got that hot for me even boosting. weird
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Originally Posted by Fignutz
would i be better with an AAM fuel return system or a CJM its about a 300$ difference whats so much better about the CJM?
300$ difference in what? cjm is cheaper than aam so you're looking at the wrong prices.

Originally Posted by Nexx
with a vortech any fuel return system is fine. aam has had issues with their older fuel returns but theyre revised versions seem to work fine without issue. cjm just makes good quality stuff albeit a bit overpriced imho.

overpriced?

basic kit:
cjm: 425$
aam: 549$

stage 1
cjm: 945
aam: 899 (couldn't find a good supplier for stage 1)

stage 2
cjm: 1125
aam: 1195

stage 3
cjm: ~2400. dual intank walbros
aam: 2299. normal intank with external surge tank

Aam's return correction doesn't work as well and their stage 3 with an external pump and surge tank is junk. many welding mods and routing changes needed to get it to work properly.

so for better customer service and higher quality parts (and also cheaper on some kits) i would definitely use cjm. CJM also has coated stainless lines (that are teflon on the inside so can be used with e85). The outside coating keeps the braiding from destroying your car or eating a hole into a wiring harness. The stage 2 8an line is also heat coated where it passes near the exhaust.

also, for a vortech kit the OP doesn't need anymore than a stage 0. I put down 451 dd (507dj) with a stage 0 on my car at 14psi and built engine.

i forgot to mention if you ever wanted to upgrade charles will only charge you for the parts you need to upgrade. With aam they don't give a crap about you and you have to purchase a whole new kit in order to upgrade.

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so the op knows and can make that decision...i have never had a problem with cooling issues of any kind and i have stock radiator and no oil cooler, i do agree it is a good thing to do for peace of mind and added safety, but i have never had a reason to do so...
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I have an oil cooler in bed room and I just can't get around to installing it...lol. I have yet to overheat though and I'm auto.
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gauges? Do them before you do headers/exhaust.
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Originally Posted by Fignutz
hi all gunna keep this short and sweet aiming for 400whp on my '05 6spd touring coupe with the following setup let me know if you can think of anything else i need thanks.

List:
Vortech v3 tuner kit (getting 3.12 pulley)
Stillen Headers
Berk test pipes
Borla true dual exhaust
600cc injectors
UTEC w/ MAP sensor
Kinetix SSV intake manifold
Walboro 255lph fuel pump
JWT cltuch and flywheel
My first set up with Vortech made 408 RWHP on a DD.
Vortech V2
Crawford Cast Intake Plenum
2.87 pulley
Borla Exhaust
Megan Headers
Test Pipes
Vortech FMU

You should have no problem achieving your goal. I 've been using the AAM STG 1 for 5 years without any issues. CJM set up is nice but the hoses and fittings are not the same quality as the older AAM. Not sure the quality of parts AAM currently using for the STG 1 so can't objectively compare to CJM.


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