Best tuning option for FI
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Mis informed on price difference... $150.00 for Licence plus tune is way cheaper than any EMS piggy back or standalone plus tune.
Most here mentioned price difference solely on Cable options of UpRev when comparing, saying how with a bit more you would get a better setup.
This isn't the first time in this forum where the price difference is wrongly compared.
Most here mentioned price difference solely on Cable options of UpRev when comparing, saying how with a bit more you would get a better setup.
This isn't the first time in this forum where the price difference is wrongly compared.
Last edited by Drako_MDx; Aug 9, 2013 at 09:08 PM.
It can trigger a ign cut to alert you something is wrong instead of boosting til your rids fly out your block. Some standalone boost controllers have overboost sirens, but they cant tell the motor to do anything if say the bottom line your gate got a hole in it.
Every sensor in my car is tied to a fault condition, and depending on the sensor, I can define what I want the ECU to do. Stuff like if I lose oil pressure, I trigger I hard ign cut, drop every thing to low timing/boost and pop a CEL.
I definately dont come here for that advice.
Every sensor in my car is tied to a fault condition, and depending on the sensor, I can define what I want the ECU to do. Stuff like if I lose oil pressure, I trigger I hard ign cut, drop every thing to low timing/boost and pop a CEL.
So, are you saying, for example, a boost error caused by a vacuum line coming unplugged, would somehow be prevented by a Haltech? Can someone gives some more details on the failsafes and how they are prevented. I'm not one of those guys saying its a waste of money. I've just seen so many sucess stories and so many shops promote the UpRev with an FI build. That and the ease of the setup is the reason I went that route.
I definately dont come here for that advice.
So, are you saying, for example, a boost error caused by a vacuum line coming unplugged, would somehow be prevented by a Haltech? Can someone gives some more details on the failsafes and how they are prevented. I'm not one of those guys saying its a waste of money. I've just seen so many sucess stories and so many shops promote the UpRev with an FI build. That and the ease of the setup is the reason I went that route.
http://proefi.com/info/media/feature...lt-management/
you have some very very poor information, further development for the infinity is currently underway and will likely continue for years down the road to fully utilize the hardway, it is far ahead of anything anyone currently offers considering straight hardware, people are already waiting for a steady firmware for custom software development even.(which aem says the current v92 is damn close although im having issues with it and the vq cam signals recognizes the cam turning but not converting to degrees causing no spark) and im going through testing for the vq cam/crank trigger signals with sam(one of AEM's engineers) currently to get it good to go. several toyota nascar teams replaced motec with the infinity, the viper guys who have it love it, the 6 speed supra guys who have it love it, the bmw guys who have it love it, i havnt seen a single person who has bought it and dislikes it. several people have switched from pro efi to the infinity(not something i would recommend for the vq35 currently until the bugs are fixed ill be the guinea pig) it has countless more features then other ecus(to match it you have to invest about 12k with motec), and there airflow algorithms as well as spark algorithms are showing to be top of the line.hardly what someone would call "not doing well" and the infinity-6 is due out soon as well from what im hearing. the only real issue they have had is a couple firmware issues with cam sensors not picking up which have been fixed quickly with people who have worked with tech support. the aem series 2 is comparable to the old haltech, vs the pro efi and new haltech its not even worth mentioning, not only that but originally the series 2 didnt even support the vq35 and you had to modify the camshafts to get it to work, even still it dosnt have 100% functionality and requires piggy back exactly like the old haltechs with a less user friendly UI.
another perfect example why this forum continues to go to ****, people pretend to be experts on things they have absolutely no clue about.
another perfect example why this forum continues to go to ****, people pretend to be experts on things they have absolutely no clue about.
Not sure why this isn't ever mentioned but another viable option is AEM Series 2.
There is a reason why I'm not mentioning the latest Infinity Standalone... lets just say the original engineer and programmer of the older versions left the company hens why this new incarnation isn't doing so well. I hope this wasn't suppose to be a secret down at AEM... if so Oops... LMAO
Back to topic, depending on your power goal and budget... there's many great ways to manage your FI setup but hands down the most important of all is the Tuner.
On the topic of power delivery... my car is Tuned by John @ Z1 Motorsport (UpRev) and the power delivery is stout and smooth as butter. Granted I am running an Electronic Boost Controller. (my opinion... a must have with UpRev Setup)
Almost forgot: About price differences... the UpRev Tune license is anywhere from $100.00 to $150.00 if that's all you want plus typical 2 hour minimum Tuning most shops require for first tune which can run anywhere from $200.00 to $300.00.
The $500.00 for UpRev is for the Cable that allows you to Diagnose your car and make minor adjustments yourself.
The $700.00 for UpRev is for the cable that allows you to do everything yourself.
Tuning shops can tune your car with Uprev by just selling you a License hens why UpRev is a great option for those on a budget not to mention it's got some great features as well. For those of you miss informed.
There is a reason why I'm not mentioning the latest Infinity Standalone... lets just say the original engineer and programmer of the older versions left the company hens why this new incarnation isn't doing so well. I hope this wasn't suppose to be a secret down at AEM... if so Oops... LMAO
Back to topic, depending on your power goal and budget... there's many great ways to manage your FI setup but hands down the most important of all is the Tuner.
On the topic of power delivery... my car is Tuned by John @ Z1 Motorsport (UpRev) and the power delivery is stout and smooth as butter. Granted I am running an Electronic Boost Controller. (my opinion... a must have with UpRev Setup)
Almost forgot: About price differences... the UpRev Tune license is anywhere from $100.00 to $150.00 if that's all you want plus typical 2 hour minimum Tuning most shops require for first tune which can run anywhere from $200.00 to $300.00.
The $500.00 for UpRev is for the Cable that allows you to Diagnose your car and make minor adjustments yourself.
The $700.00 for UpRev is for the cable that allows you to do everything yourself.
Tuning shops can tune your car with Uprev by just selling you a License hens why UpRev is a great option for those on a budget not to mention it's got some great features as well. For those of you miss informed.
Last edited by jerryd87; Aug 11, 2013 at 02:52 AM.
http://www.syvecs.co.uk/products/s350z/
I wonder why we haven't heard much about it.
because a s6 runs $1900(retail msrp is higher) without a harness, the pnp one is even more and it dosnt have as many features as things like the infinity, proefi, new haltech(not as many i/o, knock channels, throttle body drivers ect.) it is kind of inbetween the proefi 48 and new haltech
on top of that it only works on the DE 6MT cars. if you run a revup, auto trans, or HR you have to get a s8 ecu which is 3800 just for the ecu, no harness, or if you want to match the amount of functions, i/o, ect of the pro efi, haltech, infinity you would also need the s8. its WAY over priced for what it is in the current market. its better then say osiris or the aem v2 that midz has but you can get better for the same price here in the united states, if the exchange rate was better then it might be worthwhile option.
on top of that it only works on the DE 6MT cars. if you run a revup, auto trans, or HR you have to get a s8 ecu which is 3800 just for the ecu, no harness, or if you want to match the amount of functions, i/o, ect of the pro efi, haltech, infinity you would also need the s8. its WAY over priced for what it is in the current market. its better then say osiris or the aem v2 that midz has but you can get better for the same price here in the united states, if the exchange rate was better then it might be worthwhile option.
I'm assuming this is the one you're referring to...
http://www.syvecs.co.uk/products/s350z/
I wonder why we haven't heard much about it.
http://www.syvecs.co.uk/products/s350z/
I wonder why we haven't heard much about it.
Last edited by jerryd87; Aug 12, 2013 at 09:45 AM.
The infinity will be a nice piece as long as it doesnt follow the V2 speed of updates.
But infiniti PNP is ~3k retail. Hardly much less than a far superior S8 Syvecs, esp you you have to pay for the advance tuning package. Plus the syvecs works and isnt waiting for a firmware to just get the cam sync correct. Also, the Infinity is only for 2003-2006 non-rev 6mt as well. So no different than Syvecs
I'd chose syvecs over anything on the market. Its has a couple nice options that the proefi doesnt :built in o-scope, cruise control, best internal logging, touch screen display, on the fly traction control maps. Biggest killer is the lack of experienced tuners. WOuld basically have to go to AMS to get it tuned 100%. I imagine it would be a couple grand to get all the features dialed in as well.
But infiniti PNP is ~3k retail. Hardly much less than a far superior S8 Syvecs, esp you you have to pay for the advance tuning package. Plus the syvecs works and isnt waiting for a firmware to just get the cam sync correct. Also, the Infinity is only for 2003-2006 non-rev 6mt as well. So no different than Syvecs
I'd chose syvecs over anything on the market. Its has a couple nice options that the proefi doesnt :built in o-scope, cruise control, best internal logging, touch screen display, on the fly traction control maps. Biggest killer is the lack of experienced tuners. WOuld basically have to go to AMS to get it tuned 100%. I imagine it would be a couple grand to get all the features dialed in as well.
Last edited by str8dum1; Aug 12, 2013 at 12:28 PM.
Both Haltech units don't support AT and HR by default.
The S6 support 32 i/o and if yoy want more you can get the i/o box.
How many knock channel you think the VQ35DE need?
And its just like the Haltech PNP, support one throttle driver.
Believe me, i really like the Haltech, and I might get the custom VQ/2JZ unit because I can't find any local tuner thay has any experience with the Syvecs.
That "Pit lane limiter strategies" sounds really nice.
The S6 support 32 i/o and if yoy want more you can get the i/o box.
How many knock channel you think the VQ35DE need?
And its just like the Haltech PNP, support one throttle driver.
Ability to select desired engine map, boost level, traction and launch control levels through steering wheel buttons or external 12 position switch. Indicated Map is shown on RPM Display(See Media)
Fully adjustable Launch control with Anti-lag strategies and Ramp in Maps. 12 live switchable maps available
Adjustabled Antilag
Fully adjustable Traction control system with Lategal G targeting.* 12 live switchable maps available
Full Variable Valve Timing
Closed loop Lambda Control using standard sensor
Fully adjustable closed loop boost control with launch level adjustments and trims for turbo speed, air charge, engine coolant temp, exhaust gas temperatures etc
Monitor and trimming of exhaust gas temperatures
Built in data logging of up to 8 hours, with data rates at up to 1000hz
Pit lane limiter strategies, great for building boost on a roll
Antitheft and valet modes
Super fast connection via RJ45 Ethernet port for live tuning anywhere in the world or even remotely if on track and connected to a wireless unit.
Configurable Engine Safety Trips on all important parameters like oil temperature, oil pressure, water temp and crankcase pressure.
Fuel pump control of both main, and sub pumps, as well as Relative fuel pressure monitoring and limiting in the event of fuel pressure dropping on boost.
4 different Pedal to Throttle Angle maps with multipliers for different parameters e.g. speed. Again adjustable via steering wheel buttons
Configurable individual cylinder closed loop knock control, to suit any cylinder modification with adjustments to frequency, windows for listening and gains for each cylinder. Ability to trigger full cylinder shutdown in severe knock conditions.
Change throttle blip requests to match your torque band. Especially useful on oversized turbo installations.
Run up to 7bar map sensors
Control high or low impendence injectors
Change injector dead times based on voltage levels for proper control
Change injector end angle to ensure injection point is properly calibrated
Ability to fit any type of external sensor to monitor and trigger safety trips from anything from crank case pressure to damper position
Ability to use any size DBW throttle body e.g. Chevrolet LS7
Wet and Dry – Wet and Dry nitrous control with ability to drive solenoids directly and control n20 heaters via pressure monitoring
Ability to control any external vehicle features based on sensor inputs e.g. Adjustable rear wing linked to G force or exhaust control valves
Connect any race series dash or even one of our partners’ Touchscreen CANBUS adjustment /display units
View any input live with built in scope up to 1000hz
And much, much more
Fully adjustable Launch control with Anti-lag strategies and Ramp in Maps. 12 live switchable maps available
Adjustabled Antilag
Fully adjustable Traction control system with Lategal G targeting.* 12 live switchable maps available
Full Variable Valve Timing
Closed loop Lambda Control using standard sensor
Fully adjustable closed loop boost control with launch level adjustments and trims for turbo speed, air charge, engine coolant temp, exhaust gas temperatures etc
Monitor and trimming of exhaust gas temperatures
Built in data logging of up to 8 hours, with data rates at up to 1000hz
Pit lane limiter strategies, great for building boost on a roll
Antitheft and valet modes
Super fast connection via RJ45 Ethernet port for live tuning anywhere in the world or even remotely if on track and connected to a wireless unit.
Configurable Engine Safety Trips on all important parameters like oil temperature, oil pressure, water temp and crankcase pressure.
Fuel pump control of both main, and sub pumps, as well as Relative fuel pressure monitoring and limiting in the event of fuel pressure dropping on boost.
4 different Pedal to Throttle Angle maps with multipliers for different parameters e.g. speed. Again adjustable via steering wheel buttons
Configurable individual cylinder closed loop knock control, to suit any cylinder modification with adjustments to frequency, windows for listening and gains for each cylinder. Ability to trigger full cylinder shutdown in severe knock conditions.
Change throttle blip requests to match your torque band. Especially useful on oversized turbo installations.
Run up to 7bar map sensors
Control high or low impendence injectors
Change injector dead times based on voltage levels for proper control
Change injector end angle to ensure injection point is properly calibrated
Ability to fit any type of external sensor to monitor and trigger safety trips from anything from crank case pressure to damper position
Ability to use any size DBW throttle body e.g. Chevrolet LS7
Wet and Dry – Wet and Dry nitrous control with ability to drive solenoids directly and control n20 heaters via pressure monitoring
Ability to control any external vehicle features based on sensor inputs e.g. Adjustable rear wing linked to G force or exhaust control valves
Connect any race series dash or even one of our partners’ Touchscreen CANBUS adjustment /display units
View any input live with built in scope up to 1000hz
And much, much more
Believe me, i really like the Haltech, and I might get the custom VQ/2JZ unit because I can't find any local tuner thay has any experience with the Syvecs.
That "Pit lane limiter strategies" sounds really nice.
except your never going to pay that much, the actual retail the infinity-8 is going for right now is $2350, over $1500 cheaper then the s8. not sure how you would rate it better though, the s8 does support 4 TB vs 2 on the infinity but i dont know of anybody who needs that many, 2 egt sensor support on the s8 vs every cylinder on the infinity, it does operate on a wider voltage range as low as 6V vs the infinity recommends no lower then 10, s8 only has 2 5v outputs vs the infinity has 5 plus matching sensor grounds(s8 matchs grounds just not the 5v) and actually looking at the pinout the s8 just in general has less outputs and inputs.
not only that the hardware on the infinity is FAR ahead, of course it is a newer ecu its only downside really is ongoing development, v90 cam out in may, v92 came out in july updates are coming out quite frequently and with v92 the algorithms are pretty set and people are going to start generating custom software. hard arguement to get me to pay more for less, even with a track record there is a **** ton of pro race teams swapping over to the infinity when the syvecs has been available for awhile now.
also the infinity is not 03-06 only...... it supports both DE and revup cam/crank triggers. next release is going to be plug and play support for both as well as auto trans(you can already setup auto trans now with your own custom wiring) as well as HR........... so quite different from syvecs.
infinity also has built in o scope, bought my own just to compare and verify the ecu is reading the same as what the sensor is outputting, admittedly not sure on cruise though. infinity has on the fly traction and power maps(a 12 position dial for each can also adjust 2 step, 3 step, anti lags with the power map adjustment.)
also there is no messy PID adjustment for things like DBW, its already built into the ecu, literally as easy as plugging everything in, starting the wizard and following the steps(stuff like step on throttle, now release it, key off, key on ect.)
not only that the hardware on the infinity is FAR ahead, of course it is a newer ecu its only downside really is ongoing development, v90 cam out in may, v92 came out in july updates are coming out quite frequently and with v92 the algorithms are pretty set and people are going to start generating custom software. hard arguement to get me to pay more for less, even with a track record there is a **** ton of pro race teams swapping over to the infinity when the syvecs has been available for awhile now.
also the infinity is not 03-06 only...... it supports both DE and revup cam/crank triggers. next release is going to be plug and play support for both as well as auto trans(you can already setup auto trans now with your own custom wiring) as well as HR........... so quite different from syvecs.
infinity also has built in o scope, bought my own just to compare and verify the ecu is reading the same as what the sensor is outputting, admittedly not sure on cruise though. infinity has on the fly traction and power maps(a 12 position dial for each can also adjust 2 step, 3 step, anti lags with the power map adjustment.)
also there is no messy PID adjustment for things like DBW, its already built into the ecu, literally as easy as plugging everything in, starting the wizard and following the steps(stuff like step on throttle, now release it, key off, key on ect.)
The infinity will be a nice piece as long as it doesnt follow the V2 speed of updates.
But infiniti PNP is ~3k retail. Hardly much less than a far superior S8 Syvecs, esp you you have to pay for the advance tuning package. Plus the syvecs works and isnt waiting for a firmware to just get the cam sync correct. Also, the Infinity is only for 2003-2006 non-rev 6mt as well. So no different than Syvecs
I'd chose syvecs over anything on the market. Its has a couple nice options that the proefi doesnt :built in o-scope, cruise control, best internal logging, touch screen display, on the fly traction control maps. Biggest killer is the lack of experienced tuners. WOuld basically have to go to AMS to get it tuned 100%. I imagine it would be a couple grand to get all the features dialed in as well.
But infiniti PNP is ~3k retail. Hardly much less than a far superior S8 Syvecs, esp you you have to pay for the advance tuning package. Plus the syvecs works and isnt waiting for a firmware to just get the cam sync correct. Also, the Infinity is only for 2003-2006 non-rev 6mt as well. So no different than Syvecs
I'd chose syvecs over anything on the market. Its has a couple nice options that the proefi doesnt :built in o-scope, cruise control, best internal logging, touch screen display, on the fly traction control maps. Biggest killer is the lack of experienced tuners. WOuld basically have to go to AMS to get it tuned 100%. I imagine it would be a couple grand to get all the features dialed in as well.
as i said the biggest thing for us is the exchange rate, it kills us on price here in the united states. for you its a much more viable option due to being much cheaper, alot of the i/o on the s6 is taken up by preexisting engine functions not leaving alot to add on, the i/o box just adds more. personally i wouldnt go with the haltech why i run the infinity now, but i also dont mind doing custom wiring.
edit: to my previous post s6 has 2 5v outputs, s8 has 4 but still less. alot of the inputs/outputs arnt user selectable it has 16 inputs user definable inputs which must be used for cam/crank, coolant temp, map, oil pressure, air temp, ect. dosnt leave a ton extra.
edit: to my previous post s6 has 2 5v outputs, s8 has 4 but still less. alot of the inputs/outputs arnt user selectable it has 16 inputs user definable inputs which must be used for cam/crank, coolant temp, map, oil pressure, air temp, ect. dosnt leave a ton extra.
Both Haltech units don't support AT and HR by default.
The S6 support 32 i/o and if yoy want more you can get the i/o box.
How many knock channel you think the VQ35DE need?
And its just like the Haltech PNP, support one throttle driver.
Believe me, i really like the Haltech, and I might get the custom VQ/2JZ unit because I can't find any local tuner thay has any experience with the Syvecs.
That "Pit lane limiter strategies" sounds really nice.
The S6 support 32 i/o and if yoy want more you can get the i/o box.
How many knock channel you think the VQ35DE need?
And its just like the Haltech PNP, support one throttle driver.
Believe me, i really like the Haltech, and I might get the custom VQ/2JZ unit because I can't find any local tuner thay has any experience with the Syvecs.
That "Pit lane limiter strategies" sounds really nice.
Last edited by jerryd87; Aug 16, 2013 at 11:23 AM.
not quite getting it narrowed down ive been working on other systems in the mean time like the trim pots, throttle body as well as some non car projects with arduino.
pretty sure something is up with the hardware since this firmware is running just fine on 5 engines at aem with no issues at all. we have tested the connections directly at the ecu with a scope and its getting good signals so its not my wiring plus when we tryed switching it to revup timing pattern to see if something got mixed up in my firmware specifically it locked the ecu and cannot be switched off that timing pattern gotta try reflashing the firmware today.
each ecu has its own specific firmware coded directly to that ecu so sam has his firmware guy going through my exact firmware now im the first one to have this issue of correct input signals, correct pattern, no ignition faults and 100% spark probability yet no spark signal out of the ecu. im not in any rush because i dont really leave base too much lately so i havnt pushed too hard and been pretty patient. now if in a month it still isnt fixed ill be getting pissed
pretty sure something is up with the hardware since this firmware is running just fine on 5 engines at aem with no issues at all. we have tested the connections directly at the ecu with a scope and its getting good signals so its not my wiring plus when we tryed switching it to revup timing pattern to see if something got mixed up in my firmware specifically it locked the ecu and cannot be switched off that timing pattern gotta try reflashing the firmware today.
each ecu has its own specific firmware coded directly to that ecu so sam has his firmware guy going through my exact firmware now im the first one to have this issue of correct input signals, correct pattern, no ignition faults and 100% spark probability yet no spark signal out of the ecu. im not in any rush because i dont really leave base too much lately so i havnt pushed too hard and been pretty patient. now if in a month it still isnt fixed ill be getting pissed
Last edited by jerryd87; Aug 21, 2013 at 10:42 AM.
i actually just spoke to sam and according to him they have only run rev up engines on the de so far, which changes frequency and voltage between running and cranking vs the standard de which is solid state so they are gona try to get that worked out for me and get back to me.
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