Sorry, I didn't make a complete enough statement.

(1) I meant to say that when Ryan (or the guy I was talking to)
at turbonetics, asked me to give him the HP at the Point
TRQ peaked, which is at 5750RPM, The HP at that POINT is
360.

(2) He did whatever calculation you do to determine TRQ and
he gave me 328.

(3) without going back and "quoting" myslef, I believe I said this
is the exact same number I ended up with at 6350, so I
guess I left it to people to realize there is more room left
after 5750 to make more power.

(4) I did NOT attempt to state the turbonetics is ONLY making as
much power as my kit.

Hopefully this clarifies things enough.

I would like to remind everyone again, that this dyno was
not a good dyno to publish for several reasons.

a) The graph is wrong, which leaves you to wonder what
else may be wrong or different. Not that it is intentional.

b) This dyno is on a dynapack, we don't seem to know much
about this dyno, so we don't know what parameters are
adjusted or taken into/out of consideration.

c) We do NOT know enough of the operational circumtances,
in regards to exaclty how is thie kit connected to the
engine and exhaust.

I believe without looking, it does state the stock exhaust
is in place, which we have all learned over time the stock
exhuast isn't bad at all. And I should be able to tell you
that Brad mentioned they tried a a few, and the stock
seemed to perform as well, if not better than most.

There are a few things that make a lot of difference in
how HP is reported, so we need MORE information to
know how they got there.

d) Tuning, it's all about tuning. How was this kit/car tuned?
what about Fuel? Is the tuning on this kit, as aggresive
as you would release on a street car?

e) I'm fairly certain I could tune my car, and produce
450RWHP on the same dyno I was on. If it survived it long
enough to save/print it I'm sure we'd all be very impressed
and we would forget this kit exists because it only
produced 388RWHP.

I can't say enough, and it's already been repeated, do your homework, check the facts, and make sure it does what you want, not because someone else has it/wants it/says it's the best.

I also got someone into a tizzy when I said something similar in another thread "you need to pay attention" because text is what it is "text" it's not an alternate reality.

You can just read and react, you need to absorb and comprehend what you are reading, and check it against what you do & don't know about. before your take action or even "reply".

This isn't intended as a slam/flame/burn, so don't anyone take it like that. Some of the topics we discuss on this and other boards are fairly serious, in my opinion FI is one of the more serious of topics, so it is critical to be on your toes. Running off with any single thought found on the internet without full back up is deadly, period.

 

I have a new dyno from Brad but its in Adobe format. Working on getting it to jpeg to host and post.

 

try this

http://members.***.net/w.suarez/dyno.doc

 

or this might be better

http://members.***.net/w.suarez/350dyno11-15-04.pdf

 

Pls let me know if that doesn't work.

 

They both work for me.

 

sweet did you get the pamphlets yet...My wife should have mailed them by now.

 

No I didn't get anything yet. I can't wait to see the one for this turbo. It's killing me lol. And all the new wheels coming out.

 

Also, this chart. I see on the left it says over 9 PSI. is that what he is running? 9 PSI? What is stock boost for this turbo again? I would go back and look but it is over 20 pages now lol

 

Damn I'm gonna have to search through her truck and find the envelope. Pls send me you addy again as I'm sure if she didn't mail it she probably lost the address too. Sometimes I wish I could just...I digress....anyways they installed a Walboro fuel pump on the Z and it pushed their A/F down to like 10:1 and they havent retuned for it yet so they upped the boost a little. Out of the box they are going to be running about 7.5 PSI.

 

This kit include 380cc Injectors... the tuning is a reflash from Technosquare, so you can retuned the car if you have others mods or if you wanna past the 10 psi limit to see more HP... out of the box is around 386(7.5 psi)... but with only a little twist of the boost (9 psi) you can see around 405 whp out of the box kit... you can do a few things if you wanna go to 450 whp, Fuel pump and retune the ECU with Technosquare... so this kit have the same potencial than the others TT kits.

 

I would like to believe that this kit can do more, as any turbo kit can with some simple and not so simple modifications.

I didn't mention this publicly yet but yes I do like the fact that the ECU is just a reflash vs a piggy/seperate computer.

From the dyno sheet we saw, they appear to already be running 9lbs of boost to produce the 380-something at this time, so you may be incorrect at 7.5/386.

I do believe they are already considering a fuel pump change, as the car I drove just had a walbro installed in it the day before.

This may or may not affect final production kit.

My point to this particular point was I didn't want people to look at any one product, whatever number it has, and then be under the impression that is a better product.

No one product is the best for all applications, current and or future on the same car, or anohter car.

 

Actually the reason the boost is up to 9PSI for that power was a direct result of the fuel pump. When they installed the fuel pump and up until today they have not modified the ECU flash. This brought their a/f ratio down to around 10:1 on boost so they overly rich setting is killing some power. When they are able to reflash and play with the timing they will make the same hp at the same boost setting.

 

My friend MIAPLAYA said and quote
"This kit put down 409 at 8PSI on the dyno. The car in its current form yesterday was sitting at 385~ HP. The final numbers will be determined based on tuning. Talked the designer yesterday and from what I understand the tuning was finished last night to get it at 11.5:1 across the board. Turbonetics will of course release the final numbers soon. However as mentioned by the deisginer yesterday this turbo is good for over 650".

So rigth now they have tuning issues because of the last minute fuel pump upgrade... I was corerect on my statemant!

 

There is no true "calibration" of the dynojet is what I am trying to say. Of course, you need to enter the specs of your car, and those can certainly be fudged. You also mess with the temp and baro correction factors...but any compentent operator can do this correctly.

I guess I am trying to say that all things being equal, when you are rotating a "known mass"....in this case...the dyno wheel....you tend to get better consistency between dynos. Even Mustang and the other dyno companys will probably admit that by their very nature, a Dynojet is more consistent.

Regardless, the important thing..hopefully...is to goto the same dyno person, and try to dyno during the same ambient conditions...and try try to eliminate as many variables as possible. And since more poepl tend to dyno on dynojets, it woudl be great for comparison purposes if everyone would use them

 

I hope we can also get the turbonetics on a dynojet. These charts are completed different from the dynojet.

Do I sound like a dynojet salesperson yet??

BUt seriously, I am pleased to see the Turbonetics kit making good boost at relatively low RPM, but the power is way lower than the TT's, and thats the part I dont quite understand...almost like the load based dynoes are doing something funky to the HP and TRQ graphs. My Greddy kit at 6psi was making around 300ftlbs at 3000rpm...and the HP number was well into the 200 range. The Turbnoneics on this graph is at 120 or something like that.

Again..I dont think its the kit...I think something is very different with the load based dyno charts.

 

We should find out soon enough. My and alpine are planning to get some Dynojet dyno time in side by side to see what these things can do.

 

Im no dyno guru for sure . But do you think that the dynojet shows better trq...and sooner....than the load based dyno...because of the free spinning drum...unlike the load base..that you need to over come the initial load set on it ?

 

ditto here on not being a dyno guru.

the trq numbers should be similar as they are just calcs based on acceleration and hp. thats what i'm guessing at.

i'm sure if someone would take a shot at the interet, thw formula is there.

i'd do it but i am holding my baby at the moment and typing with one hand, which is killing me, on a split keyboard.

gotta go

 

Which will get Carb Certification? It would be a pain to put the car back to stock every two years to pass Smog Check.

Cheers Amy -