air intake duct killed my car...
12-10-2004, 02:09 PM
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air intake duct killed my car...
okay.. well not my car but my friends
One of my friends have the mines air intake duct done other their vehicle and he seems to be struggling in the rain when he drives his car.
It was POURING one day in Boston and he was driving around his Z. All of a suddden, on the highway, his car just... ka put..died
both of use were strained in the I93 for about 1 hour before the tow truck came and towed it to the dealership. He has a JWT Pop Charger, dun know if that is the problem... or if the air intake duct is a problem
Does anyone else have this problem..
One of my friends have the mines air intake duct done other their vehicle and he seems to be struggling in the rain when he drives his car.
It was POURING one day in Boston and he was driving around his Z. All of a suddden, on the highway, his car just... ka put..died
both of use were strained in the I93 for about 1 hour before the tow truck came and towed it to the dealership. He has a JWT Pop Charger, dun know if that is the problem... or if the air intake duct is a problem
Does anyone else have this problem..
12-10-2004, 04:46 PM
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I know that rain could travel through the air duct, but I thought the only way that an air filter will suck up water is if it completely submerged. Maybe the problem is something else. Did his car struggle in the rain before the duct or only after he put it on. If it started right after he put it on that is probably the problem, but if not it is probably is something else on the motor that is getting wet when he drives in the rain.
12-10-2004, 07:20 PM
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You would need to submerge the filter into standing water, and then the engine would have to suck up a column of water, and then that column of water would have to make it all the way into the cylinder(s). I agree: That's a tall order with a JWT, which is pretty high up off the road.
If the car hit water that deep, at highway speed, I'm guessing the car would have been torn asunder. It would have been like hitting a brick wall. At the very least, your friend would surely have been able to hear/feel if the car injested a column of water. There would have been noise and vibration from the engine before it quit, as the piston(s) tried and failed to compress water inside the cylinder(s). That's when things start to deflect, bend, break, etc.
It's probably something else...
If the car hit water that deep, at highway speed, I'm guessing the car would have been torn asunder. It would have been like hitting a brick wall. At the very least, your friend would surely have been able to hear/feel if the car injested a column of water. There would have been noise and vibration from the engine before it quit, as the piston(s) tried and failed to compress water inside the cylinder(s). That's when things start to deflect, bend, break, etc.
It's probably something else...
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i doubt this was Air Duct/CAI related. Most likey something else. As posted above, the filter needs to be completely submerged before water will be sucked into the engine.
12-11-2004, 02:47 PM
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Hey guys, I am not sure.
I wasn't i the car with him, but his car is at the shop right now. They are goign to take the car apart to see what;s up. Its still not starting and they (mechanics) didn;t want to try.
I am not sure if Nissan is goign to cover that, w are going ot put the stock intake back in and bring it back to Nissan...
I wasn't i the car with him, but his car is at the shop right now. They are goign to take the car apart to see what;s up. Its still not starting and they (mechanics) didn;t want to try.
I am not sure if Nissan is goign to cover that, w are going ot put the stock intake back in and bring it back to Nissan...
12-11-2004, 02:50 PM
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My car was fine tho, I have the JWT but I dun have the hole. So I am thinking if the air duct is the problem.
ANyone else have this Air Duct? and have been driving in the rain?
ANyone else have this Air Duct? and have been driving in the rain?
12-11-2004, 02:51 PM
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i doubt this was Air Duct/CAI related. Most likey something else. As posted above, the filter needs to be completely submerged before water will be sucked into the engine.
i doubt this was Air Duct/CAI related. Most likey something else. As posted above, the filter needs to be completely submerged before water will be sucked into the engine.
It is VERY likely that he sucked up water through that duct.
You should be putting a guard in front of the duct during heavy storms.
12-11-2004, 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by PhoenixINX
Not true at all... if you were driving through a very heavy downpour... and assuming the JWT oils had repelled as much water as possible... and eventually saturated.
It is VERY likely that he sucked up water through that duct.
You should be putting a guard in front of the duct during heavy storms.
Not true at all... if you were driving through a very heavy downpour... and assuming the JWT oils had repelled as much water as possible... and eventually saturated.
It is VERY likely that he sucked up water through that duct.
You should be putting a guard in front of the duct during heavy storms.
A *solid column* of water must get sucked all the way up the intake pipe, like soda through a straw, and into the cylinder(s) for damage to occur. Other than dipping the intake into a standing pool of water, you'd probably have to run the car under Niagara Falls to get enough water injested to cause any damage.
Some FI vehicles inject water and/or methanol directly into the intake to cool the intake charge and help control detonation. The volume of the supplemental water injected varies directly with the amount of fuel injected. The most common side-effect of this water injection cooling system: Very, very clean cylinder walls...
As far as the MAF question is concerned, maybe it has oil from an over-saturated intake filter all over it, so it's not measuring the air volume accurately? Maybe the car would sputter/stall even on a humid day? I guess y'all will find out soon enough. Good luck.
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12-11-2004, 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by bullseye
I'm no expert, but everything I've ever read/heard about cold air intakes indicates the injestion of heavy, air-borne rain will not come near to causing a problem. There is just not enough volume of rain water that can make it to the cylinder(s), and then cause damage. Heavy rain, and even small rivulets of water, if they make it to the cylinder(s) as a liquid at all, will just be vaporized there.
A *solid column* of water must get sucked all the way up the intake pipe, like soda through a straw, and into the cylinder(s) for damage to occur. Other than dipping the intake into a standing pool of water, you'd probably have to run the car under Niagara Falls to get enough water injested to cause any damage.
Some FI vehicles inject water and/or methanol directly into the intake to cool the intake charge and help control detonation. The volume of the supplemental water injected varies directly with the amount of fuel injected. The most common side-effect of this water injection cooling system: Very, very clean cylinder walls...
As far as the MAF question is concerned, maybe it has oil from an over-saturated intake filter all over it, so it's not measuring the air volume accurately? Maybe the car would sputter/stall even on a humid day? I guess y'all will find out soon enough. Good luck.
I'm no expert, but everything I've ever read/heard about cold air intakes indicates the injestion of heavy, air-borne rain will not come near to causing a problem. There is just not enough volume of rain water that can make it to the cylinder(s), and then cause damage. Heavy rain, and even small rivulets of water, if they make it to the cylinder(s) as a liquid at all, will just be vaporized there.
A *solid column* of water must get sucked all the way up the intake pipe, like soda through a straw, and into the cylinder(s) for damage to occur. Other than dipping the intake into a standing pool of water, you'd probably have to run the car under Niagara Falls to get enough water injested to cause any damage.
Some FI vehicles inject water and/or methanol directly into the intake to cool the intake charge and help control detonation. The volume of the supplemental water injected varies directly with the amount of fuel injected. The most common side-effect of this water injection cooling system: Very, very clean cylinder walls...
As far as the MAF question is concerned, maybe it has oil from an over-saturated intake filter all over it, so it's not measuring the air volume accurately? Maybe the car would sputter/stall even on a humid day? I guess y'all will find out soon enough. Good luck.
I'm speaking from experience, I've run CAIs for YEARS and YEARS on various Hondas, etc...
They DO NOT have to be submerged to injest water.
Period.
12-11-2004, 06:53 PM
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GUYS, when there is a big whole in the front of ur bumper which leads directly to the JWT popcharger, its gonna suck in water when its pouring rain. the rain is gonna hit the popcharger directly and the popcharger is gonna suck in little by little. come on its common sense.
12-12-2004, 05:56 AM
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Originally posted by dougrace zs
PhoenixINX here on Doug's computer...
I'm speaking from experience, I've run CAIs for YEARS and YEARS on various Hondas, etc...
They DO NOT have to be submerged to injest water.
Period.
PhoenixINX here on Doug's computer...
I'm speaking from experience, I've run CAIs for YEARS and YEARS on various Hondas, etc...
They DO NOT have to be submerged to injest water.
Period.
More specifically, what I am wondering is if injested airborne rain water can migrate to the cylinder(s) with enough volume to cause *damage* when it gets there. I'm not talking about sputtering or bogging or hesitation. I'm wondering about real damage, like bent, broken, or other hydrostatic force induced rearrangement!
Have you ever seen that happen? If you have experience with airborne rain water being injested *and* causing damage, please tell me more! That's what I want to hear. Thank you.
12-12-2004, 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by dougrace zs
PhoenixINX here on Doug's computer...
I'm speaking from experience, I've run CAIs for YEARS and YEARS on various Hondas, etc...
They DO NOT have to be submerged to injest water.
Period.
PhoenixINX here on Doug's computer...
I'm speaking from experience, I've run CAIs for YEARS and YEARS on various Hondas, etc...
They DO NOT have to be submerged to injest water.
Period.