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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 11:04 AM
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Whats good people? So here's what I'm most likely going with, unless feedback I get will change my mind. Keep in mind, I'm not rich (I'm a Sergeant int the Army) so cost IS an issue. I would go with the expensive **** but just don't have the cash flow, plus my wife doesn't work. And I know some people will say "just save the money and go big" but if I don't buy the stuff now that money will be spent on other things and I won't see it again for a while. So here goes, open for suggestions:

Injen SP1986 CAI
Injen SES TD (straight tips)
Helix test pipes
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Kinetix SSV
TS or AAM ECU flash

I also plan on buying as much of this **** as I can used, so if you got it let me know. Thanks, peace.

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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 11:37 AM
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I tell you one thing, for intake JWT Pop Charger all the way.
You gain 6hp and beastly noise for $120.

As for exhaust, they look like they're all in same price range ($900 ish) except for HKS Hi-Power Ti.
I've just got my NISMO exhaust from Perf Nissan and I'm satisfied with it.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 11:57 AM
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Your dollar/performance ratio is good, but could be better.

Helix test pipes (polished stainless steel) are beautiful, but an unpolished set will perform just as well.

Kinetix SSV intake manifold: a very nice piece of eye candy. For about 2/3rds the cost, consider an upper plenum.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 12:07 PM
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Your dollar/performance ratio is good, but could be better.

Helix test pipes (polished stainless steel) are beautiful, but an unpolished set will perform just as well.

Kinetix SSV intake manifold: a very nice piece of eye candy. For about 2/3rds the cost, consider an upper plenum.
Good point... where can I find a cheaper (cost wise) test pipe? I can get the Helix pipes for less than $150.
As far as the intake manifold, I like the dyno chart. The curve is much smoother than any I've seen and the power gains are awesome. The gains are between 11-17whp over stock throughout the powerband. The torque was also a huge difference over stock. And besides, I'm only paying $400 for it. My b-day is coming up, and the other half is coming from my family.

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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 12:24 PM
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I would go with a JWT intake as well versus the Injen. Also go with a plenum spacer instead of the Kinetix SSV since that thing costs way too much for what it delivers. Which dyno chart are you referring to? The money saved on those two items will allow you to buy some nice equal length (which is crucial as you maximize your motor) Crawford Headers instead of Strup
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I got my Topspeed test pipes for under $100 shipped. They fit perfectly. The Topspeed headers are nice quality and for the price are hard to beat. There is a set in the classifieds for $200, new.
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Originally Posted by Rickdogg
I would go with a JWT intake as well versus the Injen. Also go with a plenum spacer instead of the Kinetix SSV since that thing costs way too much for what it delivers. Which dyno chart are you referring to? The money saved on those two items will allow you to buy some nice equal length (which is crucial as you maximize your motor) Crawford Headers instead of Strup
Not trying to argue, just wondering whay makes the Popcharger better than the Injen. I know it's a great gain for the cost, but is that the only reason. Trying to get all the facts. Is there anything wrong with using the Injen?
The dyno chart is on the Kinetix web site. I know that they probably used the lowest before/highest after dyno runs but the line is smooth as hell, no denying that. Which spacer would you recommend? If it's comparable to the SSV, I'll check it out. The Crawfords are still gonna break the bank though.
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Originally Posted by Rickdogg
I would go with a JWT intake as well versus the Injen. Also go with a plenum spacer instead of the Kinetix SSV since that thing costs way too much for what it delivers. Which dyno chart are you referring to? The money saved on those two items will allow you to buy some nice equal length (which is crucial as you maximize your motor) Crawford Headers instead of Strup
Not trying to argue, just wondering whay makes the Popcharger better than the Injen. I know it's a great gain for the cost, but is that the only reason? Trying to get all the facts. Is there anything wrong with using the Injen?
The dyno chart is on the Kinetix web site. I know that they probably used the lowest before/highest after dyno runs but the line is smooth as hell, no denying that. Which spacer would you recommend? If it's comparable to the SSV, I'll check it out.
The Crawfords are still gonna break the bank.
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Originally Posted by Rickdogg
I would go with a JWT intake as well versus the Injen. Also go with a plenum spacer instead of the Kinetix SSV since that thing costs way too much for what it delivers. Which dyno chart are you referring to? The money saved on those two items will allow you to buy some nice equal length (which is crucial as you maximize your motor) Crawford Headers instead of Strup
+1 I will be running something similar to what Rick has layed out. I already have my jwt popcharger installed, best intake for the buck, with 1/4" MD plenum spacer and nismo exhaust on order. These are modest gains w/o a hit in the wallet. All depends on what YOU want to do but we can suggest options for you. Good luck with the moddin.
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Originally Posted by bboypuertoroc
Not trying to argue, just wondering whay makes the Popcharger better than the Injen. I know it's a great gain for the cost, but is that the only reason? Trying to get all the facts. Is there anything wrong with using the Injen?
The dyno chart is on the Kinetix web site. I know that they probably used the lowest before/highest after dyno runs but the line is smooth as hell, no denying that. Which spacer would you recommend? If it's comparable to the SSV, I'll check it out.
The Crawfords are still gonna break the bank.
The JWT is good because it has a built in velocity stack behind the air filter and will give comparable gains especially for the dollar. That is why it is the most popular intake on this forum and holds it's resale value better than any other intake. Short rams typically give better throttle response and give better power up top with cold air systems giving better mid range power with less up top. It also doesn't hurt that the JWT is much easier to clean.

Like you mentioned, don't even bother looking at a company's dyno chart unless no one else has one on any forum There is a thread on here that has the NA gains for the Kinetix and it was pretty meager

Spacer wise, you can't go wrong with the Motordyne and Skunk2. I believe motordyne is working on releasing some type of thermal gasket that prevents heatsoak.

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Originally Posted by Rickdogg
Also go with a plenum spacer instead of the Kinetix SSV since that thing costs way too much for what it delivers.

hehe, spoken from the man who bought all the ARC stuff hehe just messin with ya man
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hehe, spoken from the man who bought all the ARC stuff hehe just messin with ya man
lol

True in your quote of me, but I meant in his application of maximizing power for the buck A-hole! jk
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I got my Topspeed test pipes for under $100 shipped. They fit perfectly. The Topspeed headers are nice quality and for the price are hard to beat. There is a set in the classifieds for $200, new.
Where can I find the test pipes at? Looked around, but couldn't find them. What's the build quality like on the TS headers? Also, thanks for the input everyone. I also looked for this... anyone put a Popcharger on a CAI? Would that combine the mid and top end power of the two or just **** everything up?
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Originally Posted by bboypuertoroc
Where can I find the test pipes at? Looked around, but couldn't find them. What's the build quality like on the TS headers? Also, thanks for the input everyone. I also looked for this... anyone put a Popcharger on a CAI? Would that combine the mid and top end power of the two or just **** everything up?
No! Don't even try. Basically the difference is the length of the intake pipe. That is what will effect your throttle response etc like how individual throttle bodies have crazy throttle response due to elimination of an intake pipe.
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The JWT popcharger and Injen exhaust gave me 17 whp over stock.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 09:37 AM
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I'm sure it did

got a dyno chart? I've just never seen an intake and exhaust give 17whp on an NA car in the real world on the dyno

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http://www.i-m-racing.com/inspcoairin3.html

This is the new Injen Intake that he is talking about. Does anyone know how it really produces. I am curious due to the fact that it is the only intake to eliminate the stock MAF adaptor. For the money the POP is great but I myself would spend the extra if it was worth it. As for throttle response, can you really tell the differnece between the short and CAI?
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can someone explain seriously how installing the MAF sensor into a metal intake tube will increase performance over the plastic stock one?
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sentry65
I'm sure it did

got a dyno chart? I've just never seen an intake and exhaust give 17whp on an NA car in the real world on the dyno
Actually I do! Done at SGP on their dyno pack.
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Originally Posted by sentry65
can someone explain seriously how installing the MAF sensor into a metal intake tube will increase performance over the plastic stock one?
Its possible. But not in the conventional sence.

If the diameter of the tubing ID is even slightly different from the precision cast plastic part, it will affect the air velocity as seen by the MAF. If the tube is even 0.050" smaller in diameter than the stock housing, it will make the engine run a little richer (~0.25 points AF). This could in turn allow the engine run a richer and produce more power.

But this will only work if the engine is already running slightly on the lean side.

Conversely, if the metal tubing is slightly larger than the stock housing, it will make the engine run a little leaner. If the engine is already running lean, it will make the engine run further from optimum and produce less HP and potentially cause other problems like ping.

So it could be a toss up on which way it will go. And you better hope it moves your AF in the right direction.
Is your engine currently running lean or rich?
Is the metal tube larger or smaller in diameter than the stock housing?
The answers will tell you which way you AF will go.....

A fuel air controller can accomplish this same effect but with control, precision and predictability.
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