I am not arguing that a swap would be pointless. It would be more cost effective to build a VQ and turbo it. But The vg is by far a stronger stock motor then the vq will ever be. Saying that the vg sucks is like saying that nissan sucks. Anyone who knows anything about the vg knows that the engineers designed the motor with every trick up there sleeve to compete with the high end sports car market. I can tell you that VG was built to handle any abuse you can throw at it. Truly one of the best motors ever built by nissan.

 

Show me a z32 with stock pistons and rods that runs 10s

If you're going to argue something, at least make the argument worthwhile.

I can run 11s on my stock internals. Shoot, if I slapped slicks on, I'd be in 11s. So what exactly is your point?

I still haven't seen a stock internal Z32 run 10s. If you're going to argue that, than the 2JZ is the clear winner and not the VG.

 

The Option car did not use a VG30DETT, it uses a VQ30DETT. Yes thats right a VQ engine that comes turbo. They built it up from there to have 800 hp.

 

Here is mine from Feb this year:

Video:
http://www.splparts.com/Events/SAR0206/sar020806.wmv

Timeship:
http://www.splparts.com/Events/SAR0206/1090.jpg

This was with stock internals and stock heads. Main mods were GT28R turbos (marginally larger than JWT 530 turbos used in their 350Z turbo kit), tubular exhaust manifolds, race gas, tuning and suspension. Car weighs about 100lbs more than a 350Z.

If you watch the video I had to short shift 3rd gear and let off on 4th a little before the finish line, hence the low trap speed. If it was a clean run my trap speed would be about 130mph.

Also a video from Nov last year:

http://www.splparts.com/Events/SAR1105/Kuah10_98.wmv

 

I have personally run hundreds of 10 second passes with stock motor. I'm not the only one either. There have been **** load of videos. Also Z32TT are running low 11s with stock turbos etc etc. But please don't let anyone stop you from living under that rock.




Once you take your foot out of your mouth you can watch plenty of videos at www.socalzcrew.com

 

I seem to remember the Z32 motor winning the 24 hours of Lemanns, Sebring and Daytona. Granted it was a race built motor but a great platform to start with. One of the main reason for its design to show the world Nissan could compete with the best.

I know several very quick VG's with a stock short block with 500+ HP. It is a very stout power plant

The VG30DETT is a purpose built race motor detunded for a street use.

 

I'm simply amazed! That has got to be (Hands Down) the dumbest post I've even seen posted by you. The Z33 motor could only hope to be a strong as the Z32 motor on it's worst day. You need to bone up on the research bub.

 

*removes self from under rock*

Okay okay

I love the VG, but I'm just saying, for the sake of this thread, it'd be more cost effective to build the VQ as is.

I've got a buddy swapping a VG into an old 240 here after he blows his build L28

 

Just another non-informed comment. Please consider that fact that Bigger, Badder, more powerful motors are NOT the sure sign that a car will be quicker or faster. Having been an owner of BOTH cars I will agree with you that not many Z32's have made it into the 10 second club but not because they didn't have the power to do so. All day long I can find 500 and 600hp stock internal Z32 which would be enough to get into the 10 second range in any other rear wheel drive car on the market from that time period to current. I can even find a few 1000+ hp Z32 with built motors that are daily drivers. Please so me one (Just one) 1000+hp Z33 that is a daily driver (not a trailer queen)... PLEASE.

What some or you aren't realizing is that what limited the Z32 from reaching sub 11 second 1/4 passes had less to do with the power that motor could be made to generate and more to do with getting all that power to stick to the ground. It's a well know FACT be anyone who have ever owned or driven a Z32 for more than 5 minutes that the rear end does on squat during hard launches. Therefore weight transfer to the rear wheels is very much diminished. Fun as hell if you wanna learn how to drift with all the torque the motor would produce but you'd get left spinning wheels like crazy in a stop light battle. From a roll was a whole different story though which even has some of the guys with Viper and vette scared to run me from a roll.

Nissan did a better job this time around with the suspension design. A Lot Better. I'm just saying that you need to consider the whole picture before saying that the Z32 motor was crap. You'd be wrong.

 

Really? This shop is listing built VG for $5100 vs the built VQ for $7500:

http://sgpracing-store.stores.yahoo.net/nissan.html

Can you post any shop that builds a VQ cheaper than VG?

Did you add the cost of the car to this "it'd be more cost effective to build the VQ" equation or did you just try to shoot a last arrow in the dark hoping it would hit something?

No matter how you slice it, VQ is not the cheapest way. But if you have it already you might as well start with it instead of VG.

 

No need to be under a rock in the first place. It's just that you might have been mis informed. I still don't think it would be cost effective to do a complete VQ build over swapping out a VG but I quess we'd have to start running the numbers to find that information out. I will tell you this much for fact though... You can make 500+hp easy all day long without having to break the gasket seals once on a Z32 motor.

 

I just think the extra work and labor/parts required to swap in the VG would exceed the extra costs of building a VQ, especially with labor and work to swap in the VG harness to work with the VQ cluster and HVAC. And, it's not like you need to buy the built motor from a shop. I've found ways of purchasing the parts cheaper to combo them together and have a machine shop assemble stuff as I need.

I mean you figure you can get pistons/rods for $1500 if you shop around well. Sleeves for $1000 if you want to go that way. Find a GOOD, REPUTABLE machine shop in your area that has installed sleeves and stuff, figure $1000 for the assembly. About 600 for head/main studs (L19 heads), and you've got a fully assembled shortblock, with sleeves, for about the same as the basic shortblock on SGP.

Just suggestin'

 

Now I'm begining to see your point a bit more clearly. Yes I agree... the fabrication needed on external parts and labor for such a swap could indeed exceed a good VQ build but still... Motor for motor I still think (Know) the Z32 is a stronger motor out of the box.

 

That's ok. I'm not a fan of the motor...period. If I was doing any sort of swap, the VG would not be on my list.

 

Wtf? There's no such thing as a VQ30DETT. When they built the car and ran at the silver state classic, they were very clear about the engine, so I'm a little surprised at how misinformed people are about this. It is a VQ35, with a JUN 3.8 stroker. No VQ30 of any kind, not a VG30, just a built VQ35. Hell, you can even see the CVTC's on the front cover that are specific to the VQ35.

 

Earlier this year a stock turbo Z32 broke into the 10's, and several are in the LOW 11's on stock turbos... The stock engine is stout enough to make well over 600WHP...

 

 

actually there is. I know theres one in japan, and a VQ30DETT was used for the Calsonic Z.. In japan theres a VQ30DET which is basicaly the same thing..

 

Can all this madness stop already?

Heres a list of the japanese made turbo engines from back in the days that can handle a lot of power in stock block form.

2JZ- Supra
RB- Skyline
VG- 300zx
6G- 3000gt
3S- MR2
4G- Eclipse

Sorry no rotaries because they were the most unrealiable engines in stock form. lol

 

No there's not. Please stop this madness of VQ30DETT swaps. There is no such thing. The GT500 cars use a custom NISMO built VQ30DETT that uses special heads, block, itb's, and two internally wastegated IHI turbo's. It is not a production engine, and is not based on a production engine. Even Racecar Engineering, when looking at the old R34 winner using this same motor remarked that aside from the bore spacing and and being a V6, is not based on the production block. For comparison, it's just like the VG30 and VG33 are technically the same engine family, but virtually no parts carry over, even the blocks are different. The VQ30DET is not related to the engine used in GT500 class racing. It comes in the Cedric and Gloria, Japanese large sedans- nothing sporty, and is a horrible swap candidate. The manifolds suck, it is an open deck engine like the VQ35 so it's not any stronger, it has no variable valve timing, and is smaller discplacement. Stock, it only makes 280hp. Here's a picture attached, it's not worth anything. 97Supra posted most of the engines that can handle boost, only I think the 6G is crap for what else is avail for 6 cyl engines, and the 3SGTE is too sensitive an engine for strong boost. I haven't seen them to be nearly as reliable as what I consider the top two 4 cyl, the 4G and the SR.
Will