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Old 03-10-2003, 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by BullishZ
In the air fuel ratio, the higher number means higher air doesn't it? ie. leaner?

Because on both of your dyno stats, the blue line (which has the K&N) has the higher number of air fuel ratio.
sorry, you are right, i wasnt paying attention to the legend!!

now you got me thinking if their wide band lambda sensor is just fux0red?!? see.. both brad's and my A/F is exactly the same (blue:blue, red:red)... maybe just a calibration issue?

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Originally posted by SKiDaZZLe
sorry, you are right, i wasnt paying attention to the legend!!

now you got me thinking if their wide band lambda sensor is just fux0red?!? see.. both brad's and my A/F is exactly the same (blue:blue, red:red)... maybe just a calibration issue?

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Pretty odd... I don't know what to make of it. Anyone an expert?
Old 03-10-2003, 03:06 PM
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for the Air/Fuel ratio,
the closer the Line is to 10, the Richer the system is.

those Spikes in HP, correspond to a spike in a Lean A/F curve.., maybe that was a detonation fluke.. because your other runs seem to be quite smooth.



Originally posted by SKiDaZZLe
more air = leaner... this is the case with my run.. injen lets more air in than k&n

brads is the opposite... he got less air in, and it looked to run richer...
Old 03-11-2003, 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by Chebosto
for the Air/Fuel ratio,
the closer the Line is to 10, the Richer the system is.

those Spikes in HP, correspond to a spike in a Lean A/F curve.., maybe that was a detonation fluke.. because your other runs seem to be quite smooth.
Thanks for the insight.
Old 03-11-2003, 09:13 AM
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Has anyone tried the procedure in the service manual to "re-learn" the air fuel mixture. I've done the procedure but can't spend money on a dyno until after my new 5AT gets installed (started whining and shifting a little out of sync).
Old 03-11-2003, 02:33 PM
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What is the procedure to "relearn" the ECU?
Old 03-12-2003, 08:58 AM
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So, in conclusion, should we get the Fram filter?
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In conclusion, the 350Z has a well-designed oem CAI.
Old 03-12-2003, 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by christurismohk
So, in conclusion, should we get the Fram filter?
No. The FRAM filter doesn't fit as tightly (just by a hair) as the OEM or K&N. I've actually put the OEM filter back in this week. At only $9 a pop I'll change it out monthly if I want.

I used the $7 FRAM to prove a very simple point. You don't always get what you pay for spending money on "performance" filters!
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theory:
our stock fuel/air mapping is already lean(-er) than normal.

hypothesis:
due to the induction of a higher free flowing intake system, there is more cooler / denser air getting into the engine. thus creating an even leaner fuel curve. engine senses this, and retards ignition to prevent knocking.

data:
skidazzles zero gain w/ injen intake after running 300+ miles on it. other private dynos that have displayed little gains.

conclusion:
our hypothsis can not be proved just yet, with my ECU being dissected and changed, the research/results might yeild more conclusive answers at a later point ~2weeks after the car is dyno tuned and ignition/A-F changed from stock


any thoughts?
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Originally posted by Chebosto
for the Air/Fuel ratio,
the closer the Line is to 10, the Richer the system is.
I just read an article on the air/fuel ratio on Tech Talk and the optimal air/fuel ratio for POWER is about 12.5 or so. At 14.7, fuel effiency is maximized...

Still, this does support the dyno sheets since the FRAM got the A/F ratio closer to 12.5 as compared to the K&N.
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Originally posted by Chebosto
theory:
our stock fuel/air mapping is already lean(-er) than normal.

hypothesis:
due to the induction of a higher free flowing intake system, there is more cooler / denser air getting into the engine. thus creating an even leaner fuel curve. engine senses this, and retards ignition to prevent knocking.

data:
skidazzles zero gain w/ injen intake after running 300+ miles on it. other private dynos that have displayed little gains.

conclusion:
our hypothsis can not be proved just yet, with my ECU being dissected and changed, the research/results might yeild more conclusive answers at a later point ~2weeks after the car is dyno tuned and ignition/A-F changed from stock


any thoughts?
Could not have thought it better myself! The computer will learn eventually . . . I think. But this is nonsense, cant wait to be able to know exactly what the ECU is doing. Even if we never really know I cant wait for us to be able to tell it how we want it to behave. With clever intake and exhaust mods and an ECU to compliment we may see 350hp at the crank.
Old 03-15-2003, 08:52 AM
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Does all this simply mean we will not see the effects of a K&N or CAI until the Nismo ECU appears?
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