Crazy idea! So crazy it just might (not) WORK!
Crazy idea! So crazy it just might (not) WORK!
Ok well i just thought about something and i am by no means a car expert, but am by no mean a moron so dont judge me off this one moronic comment 
. So i was thinking to my self, what if you can take piping from the exhaust striaght off the headers (maybe redesign the headers alittle) and have those pipes connect to a intercooler like a turbo, then super chill the air w/ one of those Smax intercooler things a few posts down or something similar, then feed it back into the intake manifold. I would create much more air flow like raming in alot of air, similar to a turbo except well...not. But then i started thinking well that can work because all that would just be a closed circuit and would build up hella pressure, so something like a valve, omg BOV?!?! that would let some exhaust out and some still into the intake. I figure it will definently provide more air then just an intake, and the pressure would help, but its just alot of hot air. So if you can cool it and somehow make it so some air can escape, maybe it would be ok? I mean hell, air coming from a turbo is probably alot hotter before it goes through the intercooler then just normal exhaust air. Any ideas?
If it is just that retarded then let me know, but also maybe explain why, or how it could be corrected. I dont really plan on doing this, but i just wonder "what if". I like to know the randomness and what not
. So i was thinking to my self, what if you can take piping from the exhaust striaght off the headers (maybe redesign the headers alittle) and have those pipes connect to a intercooler like a turbo, then super chill the air w/ one of those Smax intercooler things a few posts down or something similar, then feed it back into the intake manifold. I would create much more air flow like raming in alot of air, similar to a turbo except well...not. But then i started thinking well that can work because all that would just be a closed circuit and would build up hella pressure, so something like a valve, omg BOV?!?! that would let some exhaust out and some still into the intake. I figure it will definently provide more air then just an intake, and the pressure would help, but its just alot of hot air. So if you can cool it and somehow make it so some air can escape, maybe it would be ok? I mean hell, air coming from a turbo is probably alot hotter before it goes through the intercooler then just normal exhaust air. Any ideas? If it is just that retarded then let me know, but also maybe explain why, or how it could be corrected. I dont really plan on doing this, but i just wonder "what if". I like to know the randomness and what not
Originally Posted by scratch137
Ok well i just thought about something and i am by no means a car expert, but am by no mean a moron so dont judge me off this one moronic comment . So i was thinking to my self, what if you can take piping from the exhaust striaght off the headers (maybe redesign the headers alittle) and have those pipes connect to a intercooler like a turbo, then super chill the air w/ one of those Smax intercooler things a few posts down or something similar, then feed it back into the intake manifold. I would create much more air flow like raming in alot of air, similar to a turbo except well...not. But then i started thinking well that can work because all that would just be a closed circuit and would build up hella pressure, so something like a valve, omg BOV?!?! that would let some exhaust out and some still into the intake. I figure it will definently provide more air then just an intake, and the pressure would help, but its just alot of hot air. So if you can cool it and somehow make it so some air can escape, maybe it would be ok? I mean hell, air coming from a turbo is probably alot hotter before it goes through the intercooler then just normal exhaust air. Any ideas?
If it is just that retarded then let me know, but also maybe explain why, or how it could be corrected. I dont really plan on doing this, but i just wonder "what if". I like to know the randomness and what not
. So i was thinking to my self, what if you can take piping from the exhaust striaght off the headers (maybe redesign the headers alittle) and have those pipes connect to a intercooler like a turbo, then super chill the air w/ one of those Smax intercooler things a few posts down or something similar, then feed it back into the intake manifold. I would create much more air flow like raming in alot of air, similar to a turbo except well...not. But then i started thinking well that can work because all that would just be a closed circuit and would build up hella pressure, so something like a valve, omg BOV?!?! that would let some exhaust out and some still into the intake. I figure it will definently provide more air then just an intake, and the pressure would help, but its just alot of hot air. So if you can cool it and somehow make it so some air can escape, maybe it would be ok? I mean hell, air coming from a turbo is probably alot hotter before it goes through the intercooler then just normal exhaust air. Any ideas? If it is just that retarded then let me know, but also maybe explain why, or how it could be corrected. I dont really plan on doing this, but i just wonder "what if". I like to know the randomness and what not
wow, i predict flaming in ur future
Originally Posted by scratch137
Ok well i just thought about something and i am by no means a car expert, but am by no mean a moron so dont judge me off this one moronic comment . So i was thinking to my self, what if you can take piping from the exhaust striaght off the headers (maybe redesign the headers alittle) and have those pipes connect to a intercooler like a turbo, then super chill the air w/ one of those Smax intercooler things a few posts down or something similar, then feed it back into the intake manifold. I would create much more air flow like raming in alot of air, similar to a turbo except well...not. But then i started thinking well that can work because all that would just be a closed circuit and would build up hella pressure, so something like a valve, omg BOV?!?! that would let some exhaust out and some still into the intake. I figure it will definently provide more air then just an intake, and the pressure would help, but its just alot of hot air. So if you can cool it and somehow make it so some air can escape, maybe it would be ok? I mean hell, air coming from a turbo is probably alot hotter before it goes through the intercooler then just normal exhaust air. Any ideas?
If it is just that retarded then let me know, but also maybe explain why, or how it could be corrected. I dont really plan on doing this, but i just wonder "what if". I like to know the randomness and what not
. So i was thinking to my self, what if you can take piping from the exhaust striaght off the headers (maybe redesign the headers alittle) and have those pipes connect to a intercooler like a turbo, then super chill the air w/ one of those Smax intercooler things a few posts down or something similar, then feed it back into the intake manifold. I would create much more air flow like raming in alot of air, similar to a turbo except well...not. But then i started thinking well that can work because all that would just be a closed circuit and would build up hella pressure, so something like a valve, omg BOV?!?! that would let some exhaust out and some still into the intake. I figure it will definently provide more air then just an intake, and the pressure would help, but its just alot of hot air. So if you can cool it and somehow make it so some air can escape, maybe it would be ok? I mean hell, air coming from a turbo is probably alot hotter before it goes through the intercooler then just normal exhaust air. Any ideas? If it is just that retarded then let me know, but also maybe explain why, or how it could be corrected. I dont really plan on doing this, but i just wonder "what if". I like to know the randomness and what not
You're gonna get flamed but I'm the type of person that loves speculating and curiosity and testing weird things, with that wild "what if" imagination.
But in the end I think the air would be too hot to cool fast enough... You're talking about air having to immediately exit and re-enter....
Wow. Ok, so the main problem is the fact that you are putting exhaust gasses into the intake. It's not going to burn. The car intakes oxygen and gas, and exhausts CO, CO2, and NOx, (and other byproducts of an imperfect burn). This won't burn. Sorry man, try again.
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not a bad plan, but it ignores what "air" actually is
You need an oxidizing agent for combustion (here O2) which is converted in the reaction with the hydrocarbons CxHx into CO, CO2, and H2O. You could pipe in pure 02 from a cylinder.
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Originally Posted by CTU-Z
Interesting idea, my only concern is; what about the "dirty" exhaust? How would you keep it clean?
Why not just put an impeller in the exhaust stream to rotate a shaft - on the other end of that shaft would be a compressor blade which would rotate compressing the intake air? You could put one into each exhaust manifold to create twin rotating compressors.
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Originally Posted by Fluid1
So you want a turbo setup, minus the turbo?
I am no mechanic, and I am not flaming you. It sounds like a turbo setup w/out the turbos and pressure.
*I've always understood F/I as exhaust from the manifold spooling the turbos, thus building up pressure, air(exhaust) being rushed through piping to an intercooler, back in to the intake manifold under pressure w/more oxygen to mix w/ fuel.
I have never thought of how that exhaust is purified. Oh wait maybe the exhaust spools the propeller of the turbo to suck in the clean air!!! I think that's why you seen an intake filter on the turbos. I just figured that out, sorry for my noobness.
*I COULD BE WRONG. I HAVE NEVER REALLY TAKEN TIME TO READ ON FI.
This is a great idea! Someone should design one of these. You have now fixed the lack of O2 problem but maintained the idea of air being forced into the engine.
Originally Posted by Paul350Z
Why not just put an impeller in the exhaust stream to rotate a shaft - on the other end of that shaft would be a compressor blade which would rotate compressing the intake air? You could put one into each exhaust manifold to create twin rotating compressors.
this will not work.............
seriously u cant get much power from recombusted gas. fire needs fuel + oxygen....... combusted exhoust gas has almost no oxygen. hence why ppl comit suicide by filling the car with exhoust gas.
hence only thing good about exhoust gas is its pressure and hence why turbos are invented. they harness that power and convert it into suction of new air
seriously u cant get much power from recombusted gas. fire needs fuel + oxygen....... combusted exhoust gas has almost no oxygen. hence why ppl comit suicide by filling the car with exhoust gas.
hence only thing good about exhoust gas is its pressure and hence why turbos are invented. they harness that power and convert it into suction of new air
Last edited by MUZZY; May 22, 2007 at 09:41 AM.
Originally Posted by scratch137
Ok well i just thought about something and iam by no means a car expert, but am by no mean a moron so dont judge me off this one moronic comment . So i was thinking to my self, what if you can take piping from the exhaust striaght off the headers (maybe redesign the headers alittle) and have those pipes connect to a intercooler like a turbo, then super chill the air w/ one of those Smax intercooler things a few posts down or something similar, then feed it back into the intake manifold. I would create much more air flow like raming in alot of air, similar to a turbo except well...not. But then i started thinking well that can work because all that would just be a closed circuit and would build up hella pressure, so something like a valve, omg BOV?!?! that would let some exhaust out and some still into the intake. I figure it will definently provide more air then just an intake, and the pressure would help, but its just alot of hot air. So if you can cool it and somehow make it so some air can escape, maybe it would be ok? I mean hell, air coming from a turbo is probably alot hotter before it goes through the intercooler then just normal exhaust air. Any ideas?
If it is just that retarded then let me know, but also maybe explain why, or how it could be corrected. I dont really plan on doing this, but i just wonder "what if". I like to know the randomness and what not
. So i was thinking to my self, what if you can take piping from the exhaust striaght off the headers (maybe redesign the headers alittle) and have those pipes connect to a intercooler like a turbo, then super chill the air w/ one of those Smax intercooler things a few posts down or something similar, then feed it back into the intake manifold. I would create much more air flow like raming in alot of air, similar to a turbo except well...not. But then i started thinking well that can work because all that would just be a closed circuit and would build up hella pressure, so something like a valve, omg BOV?!?! that would let some exhaust out and some still into the intake. I figure it will definently provide more air then just an intake, and the pressure would help, but its just alot of hot air. So if you can cool it and somehow make it so some air can escape, maybe it would be ok? I mean hell, air coming from a turbo is probably alot hotter before it goes through the intercooler then just normal exhaust air. Any ideas? If it is just that retarded then let me know, but also maybe explain why, or how it could be corrected. I dont really plan on doing this, but i just wonder "what if". I like to know the randomness and what not
In a serious note, If that was possible, then why have we not seen this before? There will be no emissions to worry about, ETC.
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Hey, everybody here has asked something out of ignorance before... Give the guy a break.
To the OP, look up howstuffworks.com and read up on the internal combustion engine. That should give you an idea of why it wont work, and you'll have better questions to ask in the future.
To the OP, look up howstuffworks.com and read up on the internal combustion engine. That should give you an idea of why it wont work, and you'll have better questions to ask in the future.
