Anyone else's front tires scalloped? Please respond if you have 4500+ miles.
Originally posted by ChinaClipper
See attached photo below. This is of my car with 4800 miles. What droidekaus is referring to is a "beveling" of the inboard tread blocks. Note in the picture, the way the dirt from the ground marks the block in a triangular pattern rather than a rectangular pattern (as it should) on the outboard tire tread blocks. This was discussed at the Dallas Z meet organized by TXSTYLE today, and every 350Z with 4K+ miles on the OEM Bridgestones exhibited this kind of tire wear. In person, you can better appreciate this condition by running your fingers along the inner tread blocks fore-to-aft and feel the uneven wear. It is also noticeable that the inboard tread is wearing faster than the outboard tread. droid is led to believe that possibly Nissan has a camber problem with our cars. More to come with more mileage.
See attached photo below. This is of my car with 4800 miles. What droidekaus is referring to is a "beveling" of the inboard tread blocks. Note in the picture, the way the dirt from the ground marks the block in a triangular pattern rather than a rectangular pattern (as it should) on the outboard tire tread blocks. This was discussed at the Dallas Z meet organized by TXSTYLE today, and every 350Z with 4K+ miles on the OEM Bridgestones exhibited this kind of tire wear. In person, you can better appreciate this condition by running your fingers along the inner tread blocks fore-to-aft and feel the uneven wear. It is also noticeable that the inboard tread is wearing faster than the outboard tread. droid is led to believe that possibly Nissan has a camber problem with our cars. More to come with more mileage.
Originally posted by cotmfk
What exactly does the caster adjustment do?
What exactly does the caster adjustment do?
It still seems odd to me that Nissan supposedly doesn't have camber adjustments, especially with so many people lowering cars and destroying their tires by doing so.
Go to a tire store like Discount tires and ask them what normally causes this to occur. One I know for sure is the Rotation of the tires. At 5100 miles you shouldn't have seen that happen (IMO). The other reason slips my mind yet I was told them both a few months ago when I bought new tires on a Saturn.
Originally posted by djtonium
I'm not fond of the tires either.
Treadwear of 180??????!?!?!?
My dad's got ZR tires on his Z32 with
treadware of 300, and they grip
the road very well.
He just bought a pair of BFGoodrich
GForce tires from www.tires.com
for under $120 each.
I'm not fond of the tires either.
Treadwear of 180??????!?!?!?
My dad's got ZR tires on his Z32 with
treadware of 300, and they grip
the road very well.
He just bought a pair of BFGoodrich
GForce tires from www.tires.com
for under $120 each.
On behalf of my wife (she's Deb), I talked to the service people at the dealership in Tulsa, OK who will be delivering her car. All the service mgr could tell me was that he was aligning every 350Z that came in because he felt that kind of car should be aligned before hitting the street. He said that none had come back so far but that they hadn't sent that many out that would probably have over 4000 miles yet.
I am new to this argument or debate - does anyone have a definitive answer as to what is causing this premature wear? I've read some posts saying that it's alignment, others that it's the tires, some are blaming it on no camber adjustment ....
My wife has a 300ZX 2+2 that will eat tires if it's driven hard. I think the most she has ever managed to squeeze out of a set of tires was 18,000 miles. The Michelin Pilot's have been the best tires so far. She has 113,000 miles on her 300. I have had it aligned and have had different shops tell me different stories. Some insist on weighting the car on both driver and passenger side, others say no, while some say there are two ways to set up the car ("in town" and "highway - led sled" driving) and setting it up one way and driving the other will eat tires and cause uneven wear. I doubt that she will ever see a set of tires that will go even close to the 40,000 I get on my truck. I'm looking at a G35C for me - here's hoping it doesn't have that problem.
If you do have a definitive answer, I would appreciate it.
I am new to this argument or debate - does anyone have a definitive answer as to what is causing this premature wear? I've read some posts saying that it's alignment, others that it's the tires, some are blaming it on no camber adjustment ....
My wife has a 300ZX 2+2 that will eat tires if it's driven hard. I think the most she has ever managed to squeeze out of a set of tires was 18,000 miles. The Michelin Pilot's have been the best tires so far. She has 113,000 miles on her 300. I have had it aligned and have had different shops tell me different stories. Some insist on weighting the car on both driver and passenger side, others say no, while some say there are two ways to set up the car ("in town" and "highway - led sled" driving) and setting it up one way and driving the other will eat tires and cause uneven wear. I doubt that she will ever see a set of tires that will go even close to the 40,000 I get on my truck. I'm looking at a G35C for me - here's hoping it doesn't have that problem.
If you do have a definitive answer, I would appreciate it.
Originally posted by raceboy
Scalloping/Cupping
Probable Causes
- worn bearings, shocks, springs or other suspension compnents
.
Scalloping/Cupping
Probable Causes
- worn bearings, shocks, springs or other suspension compnents
.
Nissans quality is good but not that good.
Originally posted by cotmfk
What exactly does the caster adjustment do?
What exactly does the caster adjustment do?
BTW go look at other cars tires and you will see cupping is very common.
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This is a good link to simply explain alignment terms and what they do:
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/helpAlignments.html
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/helpAlignments.html
I've got a touring 6spd with 4000miles and not seeing any kind of abnormal wear on front ro rears. I run 35psi cold tire inflation pressure and when driving around it general hangs around 36-38psi.
If your tires are really getting feathered or scalloped that bad then something is wrong or you got some bad tires.
Also, I have seen where this scalloping can be caused by a poorly balanced tire. What happens is that the tire hops ever so slightly when rolling. This is caused by a tire that has an improper road force distribution.
I have a '91 BMW 325i that had a serious tire scallopping problem. After getting numerous alignments and tire balancing and even a new set of tires I still had the problem. Finally I found out about the Hunter GSP7200 roadforce tire testing machine. The system applies a road force to the tires when spinning. This quickly identified that one of my tires was slightly out of roud. The system then matches up the high spot on the tire to the low spot on the rim. Guess what -- worked great problem solved.
However. many - many cars on the market today wear tires unevenly due to their suspension setup. I have a Mazda RX7 that loves to eat the inside edges of tires both front and rear. Guess what it's normal.
If your tires are really getting feathered or scalloped that bad then something is wrong or you got some bad tires.
Also, I have seen where this scalloping can be caused by a poorly balanced tire. What happens is that the tire hops ever so slightly when rolling. This is caused by a tire that has an improper road force distribution.
I have a '91 BMW 325i that had a serious tire scallopping problem. After getting numerous alignments and tire balancing and even a new set of tires I still had the problem. Finally I found out about the Hunter GSP7200 roadforce tire testing machine. The system applies a road force to the tires when spinning. This quickly identified that one of my tires was slightly out of roud. The system then matches up the high spot on the tire to the low spot on the rim. Guess what -- worked great problem solved.
However. many - many cars on the market today wear tires unevenly due to their suspension setup. I have a Mazda RX7 that loves to eat the inside edges of tires both front and rear. Guess what it's normal.
5k miles just checked and my tires are doing the same, cupping on inside.. Been running a pressure of around 35psi cold all way around. This is a performance model with 18"wheels.. Anyone dealt with NIssan yet on the issue?>
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I'm in the process of dealing with them right now. I took the car in to get a couple of things checked - hatch crooked, A/C noise, Bose, tires, rattle.
The service manager arranged for me to bring the car in so a regional engineer/tech could look at it. I am getting new tires (@5000 miles). I ask what the problem was and he said they didn't know yet, but that the wear was abnormal. I ask what is normal and he said replacement at about 8000 miles.
The service department is being very helpful. They ordered the Bose parts, the parts for the A/C and the tires. They also found an oil leak on the top of the engine.
I'm not happy with the car though. It has been sitting at the dealer for over a week now, waiting on parts. I think the only thing they have received is the amp. I can't believe they are still waiting for tires.
I have thought about it, and am very upset about the tire wear issue. I expected them to go quickly, but not that quickly. I am looking at possibly getting rid of the car. I have no interest in changing tires every 4 months. This is too much hassle. I have to order the tires, pay tax and shipping, wait for them, drive them to the shop with one car, then come home and get the Z to take it up.
I know some will say if you can't afford the upkeep don't buy the car. Yeah, but this isn't a Ferrari or Porsche. I WILL NOT BUY TIRES 3-4 times a year at almost $1000 per change.
The service manager arranged for me to bring the car in so a regional engineer/tech could look at it. I am getting new tires (@5000 miles). I ask what the problem was and he said they didn't know yet, but that the wear was abnormal. I ask what is normal and he said replacement at about 8000 miles.
The service department is being very helpful. They ordered the Bose parts, the parts for the A/C and the tires. They also found an oil leak on the top of the engine.
I'm not happy with the car though. It has been sitting at the dealer for over a week now, waiting on parts. I think the only thing they have received is the amp. I can't believe they are still waiting for tires.
I have thought about it, and am very upset about the tire wear issue. I expected them to go quickly, but not that quickly. I am looking at possibly getting rid of the car. I have no interest in changing tires every 4 months. This is too much hassle. I have to order the tires, pay tax and shipping, wait for them, drive them to the shop with one car, then come home and get the Z to take it up.
I know some will say if you can't afford the upkeep don't buy the car. Yeah, but this isn't a Ferrari or Porsche. I WILL NOT BUY TIRES 3-4 times a year at almost $1000 per change.
8000 miles is a bit steep! What kind of tires are your car again? I can't believe that they would equip the car with such low wearing tires.
What you can do, though, is go and look at different tires possibilities, to see if there is something out there that will wear less...
What you can do, though, is go and look at different tires possibilities, to see if there is something out there that will wear less...
The stock RE040s are very soft compound tires. The S-03s have a much higher treadwear rating (in addition to being rated much higher in every other category), I'll be switching to them as I wear out the REs.
Hmmm. 5000 Miles. No Scallops. Scept when I order them. No Road noise. No Blose problems cause I didn't get the Blose System. Just to let you guys know, check out some Stook Boards, they are constantly replacing rear tires because of constant wear. One thing I don't understand is this: "I shouldn't have to replace the tires all the time I mean it's not like this car is a Ferrari/ Porsche" argument. Why? Do Ferrari's/Porsches use inferior tires? What causes the need for constant tire replacement on their cars. Could it be that the cars are driven at exsessive speeds/handeling and have a lot of horsepower sent to the wheels? Couldn't the Z fit this catagory? What about an FI Z33 with 400+RWHP? Would it be accceptable then?
I took my Z in due to the loud rumbling between 15-30 mph, i had no idea what the prob was, the tech took it out and said my tires are feathered, Long story Short they are replacing the fronts for free and giving me a free alignment. For all you guys who think feathering is normal then get your head checked, cuz no car should sound the way mine did at 7000 mi, just take it to the dealer, i predict that this is going to be a major problem very soon involving alot of Zs
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Originally posted by LA-Z
Hmmm. 5000 Miles. No Scallops. Scept when I order them. No Road noise. No Blose problems cause I didn't get the Blose System. Just to let you guys know, check out some Stook Boards, they are constantly replacing rear tires because of constant wear. One thing I don't understand is this: "I shouldn't have to replace the tires all the time I mean it's not like this car is a Ferrari/ Porsche" argument. Why? Do Ferrari's/Porsches use inferior tires? What causes the need for constant tire replacement on their cars. Could it be that the cars are driven at exsessive speeds/handeling and have a lot of horsepower sent to the wheels? Couldn't the Z fit this catagory? What about an FI Z33 with 400+RWHP? Would it be accceptable then?
Hmmm. 5000 Miles. No Scallops. Scept when I order them. No Road noise. No Blose problems cause I didn't get the Blose System. Just to let you guys know, check out some Stook Boards, they are constantly replacing rear tires because of constant wear. One thing I don't understand is this: "I shouldn't have to replace the tires all the time I mean it's not like this car is a Ferrari/ Porsche" argument. Why? Do Ferrari's/Porsches use inferior tires? What causes the need for constant tire replacement on their cars. Could it be that the cars are driven at exsessive speeds/handeling and have a lot of horsepower sent to the wheels? Couldn't the Z fit this catagory? What about an FI Z33 with 400+RWHP? Would it be accceptable then?
I AM having the problem with my car.
As far as the Ferrari comment, what are you talking about? A Ferrari is a $200,000 machine designed purely for speed. A Z is a $30,000 car designed to be fast, but also for normal people to drive on a daily basis. Fast tire wear is more acceptable on a car that will be purchased......you know what, I'm not even arguing this, it's assinine.
The bottome line is, I purchased a car that I thought would be a great car to spend alot of my time in. Now that I find out it is going to cost more than 1/2 the cost of the car in tires before the car is paid off, I am pissed.
The Kuhmo Ecsta Supra is a Z rated tire witha tread wear rating of 40,ooo miles. It doesn't have super excellent grip, but that is expected since the mileage is higher. It might be something for you to look into.



