maximumsportZ

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Hey Rick, I don't think Craig (taurran) really means anything. Just that when you come on here and say all the cars and scene in the south is garbage, raises a few eyebrows and is basically a slap to our faces.

His views of modifying his car might not be your views, thats where the conflict begins. I don't think we have to further this argument anymore.

chuquison

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like I said before im form the east coast you also say you were from the west coast, you should know this, and I see daytona as red neck racing my parents have a house there its all nascar I do agree with you on sebring I ran my integra there, morosso is straight, i do agree with one thing that in the east coast its all about drag not much auto x and if there is its not that great, i know this i have done the mazda speed events and again i have gone with troy too all these events im not trying to start a war but this is an opnion form someone who Is from the east coast and has gone to the west coast like getting teeth pulled and i can vouch for this

chuquison

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i think the styles are just diffrent in both areas and they really can be compared, some have ups and some have downs

Rickdogg

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You seem to dodge my valid points like a semi-retarded child. I had to just say that since you seem to love to bring on the personal attacks rather than discuss the topic at hand.

So you're saying that you have some sort of sick jealousy towards the fact that people "like" me or possibly "respect" what I have done. So the truth comes out!!! You are truly pathetic and i'm sorry that you feel that way. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion within reason and I never stated anywhere that I am the "Z GOD" or anything of the sort, so get your head out of your ***.

Once again you show how slow your comprehension level is by not only avoiding the topic and going on your crazy tangents, but WTF are you talking about in regards to me ever stating that Cali cars are FASTER? When I stated "faster" I was referring to the Import Scene.

I'm sorry to say, but Californian or not I give props to hot cars that should win shows or receive press for the hard work they put in to their cars and i'm sorry to say this, but more than half of the hottest cars that are discovered originate from none other than California. It is a fact and not opinion.

Actually, I am not much of a fan of the LA teams so once again your assumptions are wrong. I just speak my opinion and the truth and I am not going apologize to someone that just has some sort of LMS (Little Man Syndrome, just in case you need clarification) problem.

Rickdogg

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I do agree I probably should have sugar coated my statement a bit more, but i'm not going to apologize as it is true. Everyone in the import scene knows that for the most part, which regions are better than others.

However, I was not specifically targeting anyone on the forum as I think your car and his are really nice as you've seen me mention whenever you post updates of things you do to your car.

I sure would be fooled if he did not mean anything by his statements as his posts are full of personal attacks, which escalated this thread from a general opinion that I stated to personal attacks on me, which were unwarranted. If he has a small pecker that is his problem not mine

chuquison

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cuummbayaaaa my lord! cuuumbayaaa!!!! oh lord cuummbayaaaa!!!!
lets hold hands and stop this madness if it makes you both feel better my Z is stock and both of your Z's look better and are faster, but I do have to admit rick my Z has a bigger *** than yours

taurran

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Wow. I'm amazed by your ability to make an accusation and a utterly hypocritical comment all in the same paragraph. It seems you have nothing more to say other than name-calling and putting words in my mouth. And, for the record, you haven't had a relative point other than "Califorinia is better" this entire thread.

I'll just quote you to illustrate:

You're the one that is name calling... I never "personally attacked" anything other than your egotistical statement that the Southeast US sucks, nothing more.

When did I say that? Oh wait.... that must be your ego talking again.

More "personal attacks". What are you talking about? You conceded to the fact that you deserve "jealousy" and "respect" in your previous paragraph (see above).

More "personal attacks". Oh, is this the JDM meaning of faster? It must be, because my definition of "fast" coincides with webster's:

fast
Pronunciation: 'fast
1. adjective - characterized by quick motion, operation, or effect: (1) : moving or able to move rapidly

Due my lack of JDM-ness I guess I assumed that you meant cars that actually drive "fast". Sorry about that.

I'm not sure about anyone else that's reading this, but this statement alone is total comedy. Where is your statistical data that "more than half" of the "hot" cars are from California. Exactly where was this scientific study conducted that produced this factual information - California Elite JDM Car University? They are obviously the absolute authority in "hot" cars, so I'll take your word on this one.

Also, since when does winning shows or being in magazines have anything to do with having a "hot car". I know or more "hot" cars that have never seen the pages of a magazine or have won car shows - mainly because the owners don't care about these types of things.

It sounds to me like you're basing your idea of a "hot car" off someone else's opinion, not even your own. Where does this fit into fact?

The Lakers refernce was an attempt at humor which you obviously didn't get.

Sorry, I don't want (or require) an apology.

LMS... where do you get this stuff? It seems you automatically assume I feel inferior because of the number of magazines you've been in or how many shows you've won. You couldn't be more wrong, and once again you have illustrated my point.


Anyway, I feel no need to perpetuate this thread any further. It can truly go on forever. The reason for my criticism of your original statement is due to the fact that it was in no way based on FACT, but rather on an extremely biased and untrue OPINION - an opinion which was based entirely on a single ricer car show and an immense internet ego.

Rickdogg

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Really? Let's see you state and I quote:

If this is true, then my observation of the cars that attended the Southeast Region HIN should hold correct to what I say then. Right Hand Drive S10's and riced out Mr2's that looks like crap wouldn't even make it in to a So cal Show because we have more quality cars. SORRY!


Okay you never attacked me first prior to my retalition:


Your jealousy or lack of confidence shows that you had to so called "call me out" because you were tired of people "kissing my butt" and making me feel like some sort of Z god. I never stated that I deserved your attention little man.

Keep reading the dictionary and learn reading comprehension. This is where I spoke of the industry being "faster" out here in California:

Note for illiterate children: Faster in this sentence is used as an adjective describing the import scene being "faster" in Cali.


If you have followed magazines for over the past decade, the number of cars that have been on Super Street, Import Tuner, etc. without a doubt have mainly come out of California. This is where the import scene started in the states for god's sakes! Are you that stupid to not know this?

If someone does not attend shows they can still have a nice car. However based on the cars that do attend when you compare show cars from the West Coast say versus Orlando, you can definitely see the drop in quality. I don't know if you need to wear some corrective eye glasses, but did you see the cars they allowed in the HIN Orlando Show Room? They would not allow those same cars to enter in to the HIN in LA because they don't need those cars to generate revenue because there is more of an abundance of quality cars out here.



My mistake on referencing that specific sentence, but I think it is important to note that I will give props to any quality car from any part of the country.



Noted because you wouldn't receive an apology. You obviously have some issue with me getting my "butt kissed" which you stated, so you have some sort of dormant issue with me receiving that "treatment."

Like I said, it is my opinion. However, if a majority of the import scene agrees that the "left coast" has more quality cars than the East Coast, it is pretty much fact from a car enthusiast's stand point especially if it is in the majority. It's like taking a vote on who we want to represent us in the Government. It is one's opinion on who they think is the "best candidate" but once the votes are in there is a "winner" and the majority of votes dictates what is the majority opinion.

NA&CH

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Can't we all just get along. You both have amazing Z's. Some of us wish we had. Who cares if the show sucked or was teH best eVer. I have went to a couple HIN's in O-town and Miami. Same cars. Pissed me off. From the pics this show looked great. Sorry I missed it.

You guys need to chillax.This chit belongs on the Hon-duh forums.

moog

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This is true. HIN LA is VERY selective on who is allowed into the show. Our team was the only crew from the South invited, and I think we're only allowed to bring 8-10 cars.

taurran

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You call those attacks? You're either way too sensitive or very insecure to take those as such.

I have nothing to be jealous about here, and I never said you were a "z god". Wishful thinking at its finest...

In the end it seems the straws your looking for continue to elude you...

OH the old "reading comprehension" comeback. The hallmark sign of a forum user who is at their wit's end.

You should consider issuing JDM ricer handbooks with your posts if you expect us to get this one.

I don't follow these magazines cause I don't really care about them. Oh WAIT, this IS where they filmed those fast and the furious movies you kids are all so fond of. Again, this must be part of the ricer handbook that we all aren't aware of. Since everyone who doesn't agree or care is "stupid", perhaps we should type one up and make it a sticky.

Yes, I do have corrective eyeglasses that turn these obviously horrible cars in the Southeast to super exotic multi-million dollar California cars. You got me.

... as long as they are from California?

We will make a point to submit all newly modified cars for your approval, oh master of JDM quality assurance.

You must be a practicing psychologist to be able to dig so deep in other's psyche and diagnose such deep seated issues. Really, do you get paid for this kind of stuff? "LMS" sounds like a professional term and all, but I do find it quite funny that I'm the one being referred to "little man" here...

This last comparison is hilarious. We all know that your opinion is as important as your ego, but both are second only to your comic ability to make up stupid sets of rules for the import community.



What do you say to giving your closing argument and calling an end to this debate? I think anyone with a remote interest in this thread already has a firm grasp on the "point" that both sides were attempting to make. If this continues I think it will take us somewhere we both don't care to go.

In the end, I think Chris (maximumsportZ) summed it up nicely:

Rickdogg

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I'm not even going to bother responding to all of that since you debate like a child. Once I bring up points or reference actual examples you resort to some sort of JDM handbooks. I just referred to them as "attacks" because you were throwing dirt towards me personally so I referenced them since you said you didn't to warrant my posts replying back to you.

It's funny that you refer to me as a kid, when you are what 26? You are nothing to this industry and as such your opinion means crap to me as mine does to you. However just a thought, keep in mind you attend these shows that you hate so much

Either way until next time...

taurran

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Miraclekidjr

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Damn...that was a lot of wasted time by both of you. All I know is that you're lucky you live in CA. I know I wouldn't want to get Craig pissed.

JhayRCruz

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lol..i knew this was goin to get out of hand... Wheres the moderators when u need em... OOOOooooossssssaaaaahhhhhhh.....

ps= love the cars by the way, keep up the good work!

Vertex350

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Glad you both settled this like gentlemen.

VenomZ

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Rickdogg, I'm on the east coast, and I bet 8/10 judges would score my car much higher than yours. I don't wanna hear you call "rice" either cause you have the same unfunctional crap on your car as I do. Your bodykit was not wind tested, you're not running the lightest possible wheels for any kind of racing, you haven't taken off all the weight you could take off.


Your sponsors are small, and in this industry as you claim to have influence in, don't add up to much.

I bet you'll be pissed when you see my car in a Primedia publication

I'm sure a lot of people dislike your car, personally I think a carbon fiber door looks pretty ridiculous against a silver fender that COULD also be carbon fiber...but, I know a lot of people don't like how my car looks either..and I'm fine with that. The biggest difference between you and most of the rest of my350z.com members is that at least they are respectful of others ambitions and goals.

The last time I went to taco bell, I didn't order food for myself that I thought you would like, I ordered food that *I* would like.

End rant

roncfpz

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Sure they do bro, love clean cars.

Rickdogg

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LOL when did this become my car versus your car thread?

Let's take a look at what you have here and let the pics speak for itself. I am willing to bet that if we ever posted up polls of both of our vehicles to see who would win more votes as tasteful completion mine would win, but lets not go there like a bunch of retards.



You are probably right. Your car would probably earn more "show" points, but i'm not in the car scene to win shows. Lets take our cars to a circuit and see who fares better? If I went the show direction I guarantee that I would rape you, but that is not the direction I went with my vehicle.

Since you brought up the primedia thing, you are right I would be "mad" because your car in my eyes is hideous and I would have to call Joey over at Import Tuner and give him crap for letting such a car in to a classic magazine. Other than that I wouldn't care because I have a feature coming up with Primedia anwyays and I have been covered by who I wanted to be covered by already, but that is a subject we don't need to get into however I had to touch on it a bit since you brought it up.

The wheels I have on are my street rims and on the track I run 17's with R compounds, so I have no clue where you are getting your information. Actually I have a Cwest N1 Kit on for track use, so once again I have no clue where you are getting your unreliable information. Last I checked, C-west wind tunnel tests their body kits. Of course there is more weight I can take off, but I am open to other ideas if you have any because it is pretty damn stripped.

Where did I ever say that I was a major influence in the car industry? I was referring to Taurran's opinion not mattering to me because of him being nobody in the car scene.

roncfpz

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Rick (?),

I would have to say I thought your original post came across very arrogant. Perhaps you did not intend for it to be that way; most people don't do so intentionally. Nonetheless, it came across that way and in particular you have stated several times that it was merely your opinion yet you follow up by saying "it's a fact." It is your OPINION that the cars @ HIN Orlando were not very good. It is your OPINION that cars from the west coast are "better" than the east. That's all it is, your opinion and not a fact. You will find plenty to agree and disagree on either side.

Of course, it is just my opinion that you came across as very arrogant in your original post and the same with most of your posts later in this thread.

With all due respect,
Ron