hehe....but seriously...the Z looks much more refined than the Mustang...Interior is much nicer....and it handles much better.

Yes that 390HP Mustang that's coming out is gonna whip a Z into submission on a straight away....but I'd rather take a corner in a Z...and I'd rather be seen at a stop light in a Z.

My best friend has a Mustang hehe

-Andrew

 

Andrew-

I totally agree with what you said. The Mustang is just not comfortable at all, at least for me. The seats aren't even the least bit supportive. The shifter is way low and forward and makes gear changing awkward. The driving position is way too upright for my taste. The fit and finish just is not up to my quality standards and that's why I've only owned imports. The new Cobra has gobs of power, but I also wonder how reliable that supercharged V8 is going to be.

 

How does the Z stand up to older Cobras? What about Saleens, Roush, or Bullit? Excuse my lack of wisdom.

 

I hate my Mustang.

http://www.mustangmods.com/publish/fr0ng/car/car1.JPG

 

frong....why? details...my friend has also been highly disapointed with his 99 mustang GT....it has been nothing but problems for him.

-Andrew

 

0-60 1/4

1964 Ford Mustang (289ci V8 w/4spd) 7.5 15.7
1966 Ford Mustang (289ci V8 Auto) 10.9 17.9
1967 Ford Mustang (390ci V8 w/4spd) 7.4 15.6
1971 Ford Mustang (351ci V8 w/4spd) 5.8 13.8
1973 Ford Mustang 351ci 8.9 16.3
1974 Ford Mustang II 4sp 14.2 18.8
1974 Ford Mustang II Auto 15.6 19.4
1975 Ford Mustang II (302ci V8 w/3spd) 9.6 17.5
1977 Ford Mustang II 302ci 11.3 17.7
1980 Ford Mustang (255ci) 11.8 18.5
1980 Ford Mustang Cobra (225ci) 11.3 18.4
1981 Ford Mustang M81 McLaren (2.3L Turbo) 9.7 17.3
1982 Ford Mustang GT 8.0 N/A
1984 Ford Mustang SVO 7.9 15.8
1985 Ford Mustang GT 7.2 15.9
1987 Ford Mustang GT 6.7 15.3
1988 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 15.0
1990 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.4 14.9
1991 Ford Mustang GT 7.3 15.6
1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.2 14.8
1993 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.9 14.5
1993 Ford Mustang GT(auto) 8.0 16.1
1994 Ford Mustang Cobra 6.9 15.3
1994 Ford Mustang GT 6.7 15.1
1995 Ford Mustang 3.8 9.9 17.3
1995 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.2 13.8
1996 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.5 14.0
1998 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 14.0
1999 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 13.9
1999 Ford Mustang Convertible V6 8.6 16.5
1999 Ford Mustang GT 5.5 14.1

 

Yay! I have a chance at beating my bro again! lol

Once I sold my VR-4, he started bragging like a bastard! Time to put the punish on him. (I'm a much more experienced manual driver... hehe)

 

Thanks, MattZ.

 

Excuse my ignorance on this, but aren't the Saleens faster than the Cobras or are they the same thing or slower?

 

Saleen is a company that does mustang mods. You can have a saleen that has nothing but a suspension or a body kit. Then again they make a s281 that is nasty and they made ( do they still make it?) the s351 which is a beast and a half.

 

Pardon me.. but from a group of people who I assume at least attempt to act like they are mature and above such childish commentary I would figure someone would not resort to something that childish. Fact is.. the "Mullet Cars" your attempting to refer to are typically F-bodys and not Fox Bodies.. Plus until one of these 350Zs breaks single digits for ET.. ripping on a 5.0 isn't exactly something smart.

As far as the topic.. A new GT (1999+) is very capable of handing you your *** with very minor mods... stock for stock its a dead heat. Otherwise SVT Cobras newer than 1995 will walk you... The DOHC 4.6 is rated around 305HP in the newer Cobras.

So pretty much if you come acrossed the new body style... hold your breath, hope its a V6, and try not to be a dick if you lose. If its a Automatic... you will walk them stock for stock...the AOD absorbs a lot of HP. Also Verts will be a good run for you... Aerodynamics and the extra weight should be enough for you to edge them out. Not going to be a trailor trash mullet bearing redneck, but.. you maybe better off sticking to the road coarses.
And NEVER count out a 80s Fox Body... EVER.. If its primered, missing paint, looks like **** ...and sounds like a dying dog, it may be a sleeping dragon..its best not to **** it off Ive made my mistakes... you learn quickly.

Good Hunting.

 

I believe they stopped the S351 however the SC281 or 281-E are definately beasts! If you get lucky the S281 runs 14.1 @ 98mph (From www.saleen.com) However if you look at the sight those are very conservative..since C5s and Camaro LS1s run much lower than what they have posted Im sure the Saleen could hit mid to low 13s.

Also Roush has several packages available..and Im sure any of those would be a handful.

 

The mustang is a nice looking car, especially with the Roush modifications, its just the poor manufacturing and engineering of the car that turns me off.

I mean, alot of my friends have the mustang because its a nice muscle car but there comes to a point when problems arise (like door jamming, engine failure, a whole list of problems that my friends suffered) that just makes you go "STOP! redo the freakin' car! something is wrong!"

perhaps that new 2005 mustang concept car will incorporate better engineering/building techniques...


as for beating a mustang gt in the Z... uh.. displacement always wins, right?

 

A few years ago a friend of mine was seated in her GT defending the build quality of the stang while a few of us were poking a little fun. She made a few firm comments as she reached up to adjust her rearview, and it popped off the windshield into her hand. Needless to say we were on the floor in the fetal position laughing our asses off.

IMO, Mustangs are powerful domestic engines wrapped in a uninspired, cheap car. Thats just how I feel.

 

Before we all go magazine racing:

Once upon a time I had a 98 Cobra convertible.

It would rip off 13.6-7's all day -- stock. Run after run after run -- stock.

This same car also ran through 17k miles in the 10 months I owned it, nailed two curbs during ice storms in KC and never had a SINGLE problem -- not one. Hell it was not even out of alignment.

Going into the deal I was a bit skeptical with regards to Ford build quality. Not anymore. I have since come across other Ford owners with similar experiences -- and it makes me sad to see the slanderous attitude many Jap and Euro car boards take with regards to Ford and Chevy. Heck, even JD Powers ranks certain Ford and Chevy models well above many Nissan's and Honda's in both initial and long term reliability.

How many of the Z's sold have been back to the dealer at least once? (Bose fix issue anyone?).

 

Saleen is being very modest with their timeslips. They are claiming what a regular gt runs. They have added about 25 horses and a new set of gears to the s-281. I believe that this car is easily capable of mid to high 13's in this trim. Oh, by the way the new mach 1 will give it to a z stock.

 

My first hand experiences with new Mustangs...

Cobra SVT... I smart enough not to race, but had a chance to.

Mach I... slightly quicker than the Z, but only by a car length or two in 1/4

Bullitt GT... Z is quicker. I've beaten one myself. Pretty much the opposite of the Mach I story. I had 2-3 car lengths.

Regular GT... Z owns it all day long

Modified GT... Watch Out! GTs are easy to mod and the smart drivers don't advertise. I've lost to two GTs, but am sure they had to be modified considering how much I was beaten buy.

Bang for the Buck as long as they are going in a straight line, but I'll keep my Z's cornering, fresh looks, and better engineering every day

 

GTs are a joke...

Z with a ECU, Intake, Exhaust should give a Mach I a run for the money.

I raced a Cobra the other day (2k1-2k2) and he pretty much walked away from me slowly but sure from a roll at 60. They are fast cars but not SUPER fast.

Add a SC in the mix and I would pretty much say that the Z would give even the Cobra a run for the money. In a twisty road... sey la vi!

 

It would have to be a 01 ..there was no 02.. and a 03 would destroy you.

 

Regretfully I must agree. Don't get me wrong I love the z but the 03 cobra is a lot more car. To race an 03 skip the supercharger and get a twin turbo for a sure win (still cross your fingers and hope for a good launch). SVT is to ford as Nissan is to nismo, these people don't f*ck around beware (or prepared)