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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 12:46 PM
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I feel lucky with my piston ring failure, lol
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 12:54 PM
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great, all these problems make me already regret the thousands i spent on my build, ugh
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 12:59 PM
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I planned for $4-5k I am at about $8k now... AFTER I get this thing tuned properly, I should be DONE!!! I just need to get it aligned, I installed my 06 headlights today and I do believe I am done modding my car until I find an LS2, lol
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 01:10 PM
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so you started seeing vacuum at 7000? isnt that needed for the pcv system?
I can't say we started seeing pressure there, it was there all along, but it was then when we really paid attention to it. The tuner suggested a larger TB and better lower plenum. On the TB suggestion, I've not seen that mod mentioned enough so I'm assuming the time and money is best spent on the plenum.

As far as the PCV system and vacuum at high rpms, remember at high rpms you are creating positive pressure by the gases blowing by the rings. The biggest problem with that pressure in the block is, its a force acting against the natrual rotation of the engine and thus slowing it down theoretically. Generally engines only create crank induced vacuum at idle or around about.
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Classy
I planned for $4-5k I am at about $8k now... AFTER I get this thing tuned properly, I should be DONE!!! I just need to get it aligned, I installed my 06 headlights today and I do believe I am done modding my car until I find an LS2, lol
im over 10k right now, but that is counting every single expense so far associated with the engine, exh parts, trans parts, etc.
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 01:17 PM
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I can't say we started seeing pressure there, it was there all along, but it was then when we really paid attention to it. The tuner suggested a larger TB and better lower plenum. On the TB suggestion, I've not seen that mod mentioned enough so I'm assuming the time and money is best spent on the plenum.

As far as the PCV system and vacuum at high rpms, remember at high rpms you are creating positive pressure by the gases blowing by the rings. The biggest problem with that pressure in the block is, its a force acting against the natrual rotation of the engine and thus slowing it down theoretically. Generally engines only create crank induced vacuum at idle or around about.
sometimes i struggle with the pcv concept, but as i have it in my head, there is blowby that creates pressure in the crankcase, then you want engine vacuum to pull that pressure out, correct me if im wrong. but, when blowby is at its worst at high rpm, normally there is little vacuum to pull it out, which creates a problem. so the only solution i see is some sort of electric pump running all the time, which would keep the blowby in check at high rpm as well as promote ring seal.

ok, where are my errors in that logic?
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 01:28 PM
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The electric or pulley driven vacuum pump is THE best system. If I would ever care to make it, I would prefer a pulley driven one, more vacuum as the RPM raises.
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 01:44 PM
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where would a good place be for a belt though? what if you wired an electric on to the alternator somehow so as the alternator puts out more voltage, then the electric pump would work better?
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sometimes i struggle with the pcv concept, but as i have it in my head, there is blowby that creates pressure in the crankcase, then you want engine vacuum to pull that pressure out, correct me if im wrong. but, when blowby is at its worst at high rpm, normally there is little vacuum to pull it out, which creates a problem. so the only solution i see is some sort of electric pump running all the time, which would keep the blowby in check at high rpm as well as promote ring seal.

ok, where are my errors in that logic?
Sounds accurate , but I was refering to a vacuum in the intake plenum. And I can't think of a way to move enough air through the PCV system to create a vacuum in the intake. The vacuum in the intake manifold comes from the engine "asking" or sucking in more air than the intake can move.
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Also, our PCV system is not top notch, but it is far from requiring that much help in this form. I would believe there are some horses to be unlocked by using a pulley or electric system, but you would probably have to address the the crank/oil relationship. Maybe a dry sump option with great venting and a vastly increased rev limit would make it worthwhile but at that point your somewhere north of an additional $2500.
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Zazz93
Sounds accurate , but I was refering to a vacuum in the intake plenum. And I can't think of a way to move enough air through the PCV system to create a vacuum in the intake. The vacuum in the intake manifold comes from the engine "asking" or sucking in more air than the intake can move.
not sure what youre getting at here. vacuum comes from the air intake system not supplying the engine with as much air as it needs, which is bad for performance, but good for getting out blowby gases. i think we are referring to the same vacuum, just not sure what you are getting at here
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Zazz93
Also, our PCV system is not top notch, but it is far from requiring that much help in this form. I would believe there are some horses to be unlocked by using a pulley or electric system, but you would probably have to address the the crank/oil relationship. Maybe a dry sump option with great venting and a vastly increased rev limit would make it worthwhile but at that point your somewhere north of an additional $2500.
so at extended high rpm use like on a road course, the stock system is ok? i dont like the thought of oil going into my expensive motor lowering the octane rating, and at the same time building up high crank pressures with no way for them to get out
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 01:58 PM
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Just know I'm not refering to PCV. The PCV system had nothing to do with the vacuum in my manifold.
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 01:59 PM
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wait, the manifold vacuum is NOT what is connected to the pcv? i was sure it was...
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mgrotel
so at extended high rpm use like on a road course, the stock system is ok? i dont like the thought of oil going into my expensive motor lowering the octane rating, and at the same time building up high crank pressures with no way for them to get out
I can agree with that, but the performance loss is minimal and a working system.
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 02:04 PM
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ok, so as long as im keeping vacuum at higher rpms, it should be ok?
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 02:15 PM
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In the manifold, ideally you want that pressure as close to zero as possible but -.05 psi is not that bad.

In the engine's crankcase it would be nice to have zero pressure but it will likely have a little positive pressure which is ok, as long as its not a lot. If your getting alot of pressure your likely having another internal problem.
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 02:20 PM
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lol, look how far this thread went from 1 step colder spark plugs, lol
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 02:21 PM
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Lol
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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 02:26 PM
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is there a way to measure crankcase pressure?
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