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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 04:01 PM
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There is a dealer here around chicago called octane performance. Something along those lines. They bring r34s in left and right. They do a kit car vin on it. On your papers its gona say like 91 honda accord. My friend has a 02 Yellow R34 here and its a 91 Honda Accord on the papers.

cops know what a 91 accord look like and an R34 GTR looks nowhere liek it..cops know cars here in SoCal..nice try
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 03znj
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nissa...42559230QQrdZ1

Thats the one im looking at, the guy has even offered to bring it down to my house, thx for the suggestions also
Good luck making your decision. Some states may let you reg it. Your gonna have to "know" someone though.
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 04:40 PM
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www.sky-kit.com

Completely legit from what Ive read on forums from people who have bought from them.
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 07:41 PM
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i really wanted to get a gt-r / gts-t, but about 95% of them are not legal. it really burns me to see the price of them overseas and the ones that are legalized over here. but there's a reason why the ones that are legal cost so much.

risk outweighs the reward. i'd just wait & get one of the newer (used) usdm gtrs. or you can just save the money & go FI. for the cost of the jdm gtrs, you could get a built motor with a TT setup.

happy hunting!!!
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by gNaRKiLL
www.sky-kit.com

Completely legit from what Ive read on forums from people who have bought from them.
These guys are probably your best choice. Like others said, bring a car over as a 91 accord is not legal. Its outright stupid. And do not buy from ebay. You will be just wasting your 35k as its not legal. You will not be able to get a R34 GTR for that. They are huge scams. People say they are moving and just want to get rid of it or they are an importer and your money just gets taken or your car gets stopped at the docks by an customs agent.
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 03:39 AM
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damn.....why can't our z's have the same motor as the skyline?!!?!?!? ****ing nissan *****es

i hate my Q motor, it blows major **** compare to the RB series..

anyways the best engines imo are : 2jz, rb series, ls1...etc
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 07:20 AM
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You can't legalize an R34 in the states anymore... DOT decided a boycott so-to-speak on the R34 and R32 because MotoRex was falsifying crash test ratings on them... MotoRex also OWNS legalization rights on the R32 and R34 so no other place in the US could legalize these vehicles... It sucks but plain and simple,, the R34 and R32 skylines that are here now are the only ones that will ever be here....
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Ash33
You can't legalize an R34 in the states anymore... DOT decided a boycott so-to-speak on the R34 and R32 because MotoRex was falsifying crash test ratings on them... MotoRex also OWNS legalization rights on the R32 and R34 so no other place in the US could legalize these vehicles... It sucks but plain and simple,, the R34 and R32 skylines that are here now are the only ones that will ever be here....

sad..wonder whats gonna happen to the R32's and R34s particularly in Cali for the people that had them already long before Motorex got shut down
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Reyes_USN
sad..wonder whats gonna happen to the R32's and R34s particularly in Cali for the people that had them already long before Motorex got shut down
if they were legalized by motorex, then nothing will happen to them. the only ones that are affected are the ones that aren't legalized.
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 12:09 PM
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I guess that is what happens when Motorex ripped so many people off. It's probably better off that Hiro is in jail. I think he had like 6 warrants out for him for various reasons.
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by LemonSTI
I guess that is what happens when Motorex ripped so many people off. It's probably better off that Hiro is in jail. I think he had like 6 warrants out for him for various reasons.
good riddence
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CEO350Z
good riddence
Agreed. I sucks that we dont have the skyline over hear (until 08) but what can you do. A kit car is your only option and it wont come too cheap.
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by LemonSTI
I guess that is what happens when Motorex ripped so many people off. It's probably better off that Hiro is in jail. I think he had like 6 warrants out for him for various reasons.

Hiro is gonna be someone's b!tch in there
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 03:24 PM
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This topic is interesting and one that I visit every few months. I've been researching the importation for a couple of years now and some really significant events happened this year with the feds, NHTSA in particular.

Everyone is right in that Mrex screwed up the process and is the reason 32 and 34 and some 33's importation authorization has been rescinded.

About the kit car idea....we have all thought about it and as mentioned previously, companies are openly performing this procedure. There is no clause of how much % of parts constitutes a kit car, but there is a statement that basically says that the car cannot be comprised of or resemble the car that the parts come from. They use the example of a bug being a kit car if the change some body parts, etc...

Sure, down in the south there are some backwards DMV's, but that is only state legal. People say 49 state only, but in the Feds eyes, 50 state or nothing. Ever notice that little plate of the FMVSS on your car? That is what makes it legal, not your local registration. Registration only means you paid your fees and the state recognizes your vehicle the way you presented it to them.

Imagine getting into a wreck and a fatality occurs. Your "kit" car will come into the spotlight and the simple fact that it does not comply with FMVSS you are now liable. No big deal, so you turn to your insurance company that you get raped by every month for having a "kit" car. They see the evidence and realize that what you are driving is not what you informed them you were driving, therefore you made a fradulent policy and the insurance contract is now void.

All of this because you want to drive a skyline. Is it worth it? That's a personal question you will have to ask yourself. Maybe you like the adrenaline rush everytime you pass a law enforcement officer or when you get pulled over...wondering if they will catch onto your "grey" car.

Now, all of that being said, the statement issued in March by the NHTSA is not the end. All one would need to do is gather the data by J.K. (I know about it's secrecy) and some research and you can convince NHTSA to allow skylines to be imported again. Not as easy as it seems. Many valid concerns have been brought to the table in DC regarding this issue, so the endeavor will most likely be an "uphill struggle".

ODBII is the next issue, but it has been rumored that a fix is already present or imminent. This is a concern with EPA and doesn't seem as difficult as the FMVSS.


Ok now that all of that is out, I do have to say that I don't agree with NHTSA about their decisions regarding the standards they hold imported vehicles. Ever see an old Model-T cruising the roads for a Sunday drive? Tell me that is safer than any 90's model car from any manufacturer? Or even legit kit cars....how are they safer? I understand their concern with RHD cars in the US, but really, is it that significant? A good point brought up to NHTSA is that the number of skylines that would be legally imported would be so insignificant that their safety numbers would be little to no impact to highway safety statistics.

I really like the kit car idea, and know I could personally pull it off, but it's a real gamble. I'm in the military and could even do some things easier to make importation for myself easier, but in the end, I would still have a grey car. Some say risk it, but you never know. It's like riding a motorcycle...you're not worried about other motorcycle riders, you're worried about everyone else hitting you when you least expect it. I'd be a nervous wreck driving around. The smallest incident could be the end for both you and your car.

Oh yeah, the NHTSA said no-go on the show car status of skylines, also.

Anyone with comments/ and or suggestions?
-Steve
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 03:25 PM
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Oh yeah, look at this:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...es/page10.html
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 03:46 PM
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[QUOTE=Ash33]MotoRex also OWNS legalization rights on the R32 and R34 so no other place in the US could legalize these vehicles...[QUOTE]

This would be an incorrect statement. ANY RI can import a skyline....no one has any legalization rights to this car being imported. There was a proprietary interest filed for their research, but that's it. And now that research is now in question.

Here is a simple cut and paste from the link I posted above:

"Please note that we determined the vehicle eligible for importation based on its capability of being modified to comply with all applicable standards. We did not approve J.K. Technologies, LLC as the "exclusive" importer of the vehicle. As previously indicated, any other RI is free to import the vehicle, but will have to demonstrate in the conformity package submitted to the agency to obtain release of the conformance bond furnished at the time of importation that the vehicle has been brought into conformity with all applicable standards, including those covered by the grant of confidentiality to J.K. Technologies, LLC."

-taken from http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...es/page10.html found on page 2 of the document.



-Steve

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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by scubasteve

About the kit car idea....we have all thought about it and as mentioned previously, companies are openly performing this procedure.
There is only one company that has the kit car process nailed. Can even be done in cali. They do not publicly advertise yet. They don't need to. That should all change next year.

Originally Posted by scubasteve

Sure, down in the south there are some backwards DMV's, but that is only state legal. People say 49 state only, but in the Feds eyes, 50 state or nothing. Ever notice that little plate of the FMVSS on your car? That is what makes it legal, not your local registration. Registration only means you paid your fees and the state recognizes your vehicle the way you presented it to them.
That is only because some states don't care or don't know any better. For a "true" kit car, different standards apply.

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Imagine getting into a wreck and a fatality occurs. Your "kit" car will come into the spotlight and the simple fact that it does not comply with FMVSS you are now liable. No big deal, so you turn to your insurance company that you get raped by every month for having a "kit" car. They see the evidence and realize that what you are driving is not what you informed them you were driving, therefore you made a fradulent policy and the insurance contract is now void.
This is a good point, but what you theorize is highly unlikely. I'm sure I could come up with a scenario that could make you never want to drive any car ever again.

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Maybe you like the adrenaline rush everytime you pass a law enforcement officer or when you get pulled over...wondering if they will catch onto your "grey" car.
That's an odd statement . I don't think anyone would like that intentionally.

Originally Posted by scubasteve

ODBII is the next issue, but it has been rumored that a fix is already present or imminent. This is a concern with EPA and doesn't seem as difficult as the FMVSS.
As far as I know, there is only retro fit OBD-II that has not been accepted by EPA to date. That is even very expensive. Figure about $10k-$15k on top of everything else.

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Ok now that all of that is out, I do have to say that I don't agree with NHTSA about their decisions regarding the standards they hold imported vehicles. Ever see an old Model-T cruising the roads for a Sunday drive? Tell me that is safer than any 90's model car from any manufacturer? Or even legit kit cars....how are they safer? I understand their concern with RHD cars in the US, but really, is it that significant? A good point brought up to NHTSA is that the number of skylines that would be legally imported would be so insignificant that their safety numbers would be little to no impact to highway safety statistics.
Agreed.

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I really like the kit car idea, and know I could personally pull it off, but it's a real gamble. I'm in the military and could even do some things easier to make importation for myself easier, but in the end, I would still have a grey car. Some say risk it, but you never know. It's like riding a motorcycle...you're not worried about other motorcycle riders, you're worried about everyone else hitting you when you least expect it. I'd be a nervous wreck driving around. The smallest incident could be the end for both you and your car.
Life's a gamble. I ride too.
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 05:40 PM
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I'd be interested in the comany and their "tactics" you mention. My problem, being from CA is that I really have no choice but to comply. I'm here in Alabama for a while with the military and things are so different. First thing I did was rip the cats off my Z!

Wife OK'd the skyline, just doing lots and lots of research and talking to lots of people. I remember when I first saw one not even knowing what it was and fell in love with it (the 33 Gruppe-S had) after they told me about it. I went home and did some research on the net and was immediately depressed! I decided to do some more research and lots of reading and talking to people all over the US and a few others.

Oh yeah, about the adrenaline rush.....some people here talk about getting their R3x no matter what....I equate driving a grey market car to driving a stolen car as far as consequences go for getting caught. As far as the scenario I gave, it's extreme, but could certainly become a reality even with a minor accident.

Be sure to send some info on company x

-Steve

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