TSD night rally Sat 3/31/07 in Mount KiscoNY(Westchester)
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TSD night rally Sat 3/31/07 in Mount KiscoNY(Westchester)
http://wscc.org/flyers/2007BunnyRunRallyFlyer.pdf
TimeSpeedDistance rally on a Saturday night, 03/31/07. Registration from 5 to 6:30, drivers meeting at 6:30, first car off at 7pm. Cars leave in 1 minute invtervals from your car number, so first come first start. Should be about 2-4 hours (usually 3ish). You need TWO people (driver and navigator) and a nightlight (so the nav can read the directions), and $20 per car ($10 each). Recommended: a pen, something to write on on the nav's lap (like a clipboard), a basic calculator (or a nav who likes math), and a watch/clock with seconds that you can easily reset to the rallymaster's time. Rally computers, GPS systems, and lights above headlight level not allowed. Trophys for the winners of each class.
What is it? A TimeSpeedDistance (TSD) rally has an "average speed" that you should follow through the rally. Its set BELOW the speed limit. The rally instructions are very tricky and you're looking for stuff at night (ie: make 3rd left after the word "STRINGS", or make second acute right, etc) so you're going to make a few bad turns. After you figure out you're in the wrong place you have to backtrack to the correct turn without getting lost, then speed up to get back to your "average speed" (where you would be if you didnt get lost). There are hidden signs along the course you need to mark down, and hidden checkpoints where you pull over and they record what time you came in. Points are given for every second early or late to each checkpoint, and for each sign missed or put out of order. Lowest points win.
So questions like "is this illegal" or "dude this is awesome I'm gona go 175mph" or "wont we all get arrested" are silly since thats not what the rally is about. Some people do it in minivans with their kids in the backseat helping look for turns. If you make a wrong turn or get lost, its up to you if you choose you catch up slowly and safely and risk hitting a checkpoint and getting lots of points, or if you drive like an *** and risk getting pulled over by a cop or taking risks so you can make up time as quickly as possible and get a better score. There will be mostly twisty hilly backroads where you probably will never see a cop, but they are also public roads and you take any risks on your own. I can guaranty you will enjoy them a lot more in a sports car "taking a few risks" than a minivan full of kids tho. Some people will choose to have a nice ride down some twisty windy backroads in the dark, some people will get way lost and come into checkpoints late and gets lots of points, and some people will choose to drive in a manner to make up time each time they get lost and have a blast down some twicked roads. Its all up to the drivers. The roads are awesome and usually including some dirt and gravel roads, but nothing a lowered car couldn’t handle.
TimeSpeedDistance rally on a Saturday night, 03/31/07. Registration from 5 to 6:30, drivers meeting at 6:30, first car off at 7pm. Cars leave in 1 minute invtervals from your car number, so first come first start. Should be about 2-4 hours (usually 3ish). You need TWO people (driver and navigator) and a nightlight (so the nav can read the directions), and $20 per car ($10 each). Recommended: a pen, something to write on on the nav's lap (like a clipboard), a basic calculator (or a nav who likes math), and a watch/clock with seconds that you can easily reset to the rallymaster's time. Rally computers, GPS systems, and lights above headlight level not allowed. Trophys for the winners of each class.
What is it? A TimeSpeedDistance (TSD) rally has an "average speed" that you should follow through the rally. Its set BELOW the speed limit. The rally instructions are very tricky and you're looking for stuff at night (ie: make 3rd left after the word "STRINGS", or make second acute right, etc) so you're going to make a few bad turns. After you figure out you're in the wrong place you have to backtrack to the correct turn without getting lost, then speed up to get back to your "average speed" (where you would be if you didnt get lost). There are hidden signs along the course you need to mark down, and hidden checkpoints where you pull over and they record what time you came in. Points are given for every second early or late to each checkpoint, and for each sign missed or put out of order. Lowest points win.
So questions like "is this illegal" or "dude this is awesome I'm gona go 175mph" or "wont we all get arrested" are silly since thats not what the rally is about. Some people do it in minivans with their kids in the backseat helping look for turns. If you make a wrong turn or get lost, its up to you if you choose you catch up slowly and safely and risk hitting a checkpoint and getting lots of points, or if you drive like an *** and risk getting pulled over by a cop or taking risks so you can make up time as quickly as possible and get a better score. There will be mostly twisty hilly backroads where you probably will never see a cop, but they are also public roads and you take any risks on your own. I can guaranty you will enjoy them a lot more in a sports car "taking a few risks" than a minivan full of kids tho. Some people will choose to have a nice ride down some twisty windy backroads in the dark, some people will get way lost and come into checkpoints late and gets lots of points, and some people will choose to drive in a manner to make up time each time they get lost and have a blast down some twicked roads. Its all up to the drivers. The roads are awesome and usually including some dirt and gravel roads, but nothing a lowered car couldn’t handle.
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Its illegal if you make it illegal.
You get ambigulous directions for a course through backroads for a few hours. The average speed is set BELOW the speed limit. If you never stop or get lost, you've never broken the law. Everytime you hit a stop sign or have to stop at a red light, or pull over to figure out if you're lost, you need to speed up to "catch up" to the average speed again. If you do make a wrong turn and get lost, now you're way behind the "average speed" because you need to backtract to where you turned wrong.
If you increase your speed by 5mph (lets say at the speed limit) you might have to drive 30 or 40 minutes to get back to where you are supposed to be in the average speed. But in 30-40 min you might go through two checkpoints and get tons of late points, or get lost again. If you went 10mph faster, you're only doing that for 15 to 20min. If you went 20mph faster than the average speed, you'd only have to do that for 7 to 10 min.
If you choose to go over the speed limit and get pulled over and ticketed, thats your problem. If you choose to go over your head on a twisty windy road and have a car accident, thats your problem. You were given instructions on where to make some turns, and you could have done those all at or below the speed limit. If you choose to go faster to get less points and possibly win a trophy, you made that choice.
Thats what I mean by its not "illegal" unless you make it illegal. I've seen groups of cars on the side of the road with the windows down talking to each other trying to figure out why they're all lost in the same place and how did everyone else figure it out. I've seen tons of people get so lost and screwed up they forget about the average speed and drive normal just to say they finished and didnt give up and hand in their scoresheets at the final checkpoint. I've also seen tons of people driving like lunatics on some crazy backroads trying to make up time. And in every rally 15 to 25% of the cars never finish. They get so lost they cant figure out how to get back to where they're supposed to be and they just drive to the Applebee's at the end and get some food and beer and whine (not wine, they WHIIINE) and talk to others who finished or didnt finish. Its fun no matter what you do, you have that choice.
You get ambigulous directions for a course through backroads for a few hours. The average speed is set BELOW the speed limit. If you never stop or get lost, you've never broken the law. Everytime you hit a stop sign or have to stop at a red light, or pull over to figure out if you're lost, you need to speed up to "catch up" to the average speed again. If you do make a wrong turn and get lost, now you're way behind the "average speed" because you need to backtract to where you turned wrong.
If you increase your speed by 5mph (lets say at the speed limit) you might have to drive 30 or 40 minutes to get back to where you are supposed to be in the average speed. But in 30-40 min you might go through two checkpoints and get tons of late points, or get lost again. If you went 10mph faster, you're only doing that for 15 to 20min. If you went 20mph faster than the average speed, you'd only have to do that for 7 to 10 min.
If you choose to go over the speed limit and get pulled over and ticketed, thats your problem. If you choose to go over your head on a twisty windy road and have a car accident, thats your problem. You were given instructions on where to make some turns, and you could have done those all at or below the speed limit. If you choose to go faster to get less points and possibly win a trophy, you made that choice.
Thats what I mean by its not "illegal" unless you make it illegal. I've seen groups of cars on the side of the road with the windows down talking to each other trying to figure out why they're all lost in the same place and how did everyone else figure it out. I've seen tons of people get so lost and screwed up they forget about the average speed and drive normal just to say they finished and didnt give up and hand in their scoresheets at the final checkpoint. I've also seen tons of people driving like lunatics on some crazy backroads trying to make up time. And in every rally 15 to 25% of the cars never finish. They get so lost they cant figure out how to get back to where they're supposed to be and they just drive to the Applebee's at the end and get some food and beer and whine (not wine, they WHIIINE) and talk to others who finished or didnt finish. Its fun no matter what you do, you have that choice.
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