April 24th 2010 dyno day in Queens NYC. 3 pulls for $50.00
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Dude right after that dyno day. I put the car in the garage. I havent took the car out until today. I dont park the c63 on the street. Since I have a black car they shouldve been more careful. My car was mint until the *******s WINGS PERFORMANCE ****ed it up!![Mad](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/mad.gif)
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I was there but I wouldnt think they would scratch the car!
Most of the cars there were beat up POS anyway. WINGS PERFORMANCE SUCKS DICK! I think I'm getting a bumper sticker that says that.
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jon,
are you serious?
You were there by you car the whole time. Scratches on your passenager door?
I highly doubt that since no one opened your passenager door. And your trunk?
Are you sure that no one touched it while you were in line waiting for the dyno? You were parked outside for some time , which I told you, I was very sorry for making you wait longer then expected. But that was out of my control. Safety first.
Do not assume or suggest that anyone from Wings intentionally scratched your car. That is not fair to say especially since you were there, right by your car while it was being put on the dyno, while it was dynoed, and when it was taken off. If at any point you felt that a mistake was made, then you should have said something right then and there.
But to assume Wings or any of its affiliates scratched your car with intent (or even on accident for that matter) without witnessing such an event is irresponsible on your part and trying to defame them publicly is not appreciated.
I feel very sorry for how you feel as you seemed to have had a good time at the dyno event and as you were leaving. I thought we had a pretty good discussion as fellow tuners and i appreciated your time in speaking with you at the event.
no one else had any complaints about the event or have yet to express them.
Again, I'm sorry (tuner to tuner) that you have scratches on your car. But I honestly dont think it happened at wings. And thats all i have to say about the matter at this time. If you want to speak to me or Wing privately as professional adults, then do so.
are you serious?
You were there by you car the whole time. Scratches on your passenager door?
I highly doubt that since no one opened your passenager door. And your trunk?
Are you sure that no one touched it while you were in line waiting for the dyno? You were parked outside for some time , which I told you, I was very sorry for making you wait longer then expected. But that was out of my control. Safety first.
Do not assume or suggest that anyone from Wings intentionally scratched your car. That is not fair to say especially since you were there, right by your car while it was being put on the dyno, while it was dynoed, and when it was taken off. If at any point you felt that a mistake was made, then you should have said something right then and there.
But to assume Wings or any of its affiliates scratched your car with intent (or even on accident for that matter) without witnessing such an event is irresponsible on your part and trying to defame them publicly is not appreciated.
I feel very sorry for how you feel as you seemed to have had a good time at the dyno event and as you were leaving. I thought we had a pretty good discussion as fellow tuners and i appreciated your time in speaking with you at the event.
no one else had any complaints about the event or have yet to express them.
Again, I'm sorry (tuner to tuner) that you have scratches on your car. But I honestly dont think it happened at wings. And thats all i have to say about the matter at this time. If you want to speak to me or Wing privately as professional adults, then do so.
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jon,
are you serious?
You were there by you car the whole time. Scratches on your passenager door?
I highly doubt that since no one opened your passenager door. And your trunk?
Are you sure that no one touched it while you were in line waiting for the dyno? You were parked outside for some time , which I told you, I was very sorry for making you wait longer then expected. But that was out of my control. Safety first.
Do not assume or suggest that anyone from Wings intentionally scratched your car. That is not fair to say especially since you were there, right by your car while it was being put on the dyno, while it was dynoed, and when it was taken off. If at any point you felt that a mistake was made, then you should have said something right then and there.
But to assume Wings or any of its affiliates scratched your car with intent (or even on accident for that matter) without witnessing such an event is irresponsible on your part and trying to defame them publicly is not appreciated.
I feel very sorry for how you feel as you seemed to have had a good time at the dyno event and as you were leaving. I thought we had a pretty good discussion as fellow tuners and i appreciated your time in speaking with you at the event.
no one else had any complaints about the event or have yet to express them.
Again, I'm sorry (tuner to tuner) that you have scratches on your car. But I honestly dont think it happened at wings. And thats all i have to say about the matter at this time. If you want to speak to me or Wing privately as professional adults, then do so.
are you serious?
You were there by you car the whole time. Scratches on your passenager door?
I highly doubt that since no one opened your passenager door. And your trunk?
Are you sure that no one touched it while you were in line waiting for the dyno? You were parked outside for some time , which I told you, I was very sorry for making you wait longer then expected. But that was out of my control. Safety first.
Do not assume or suggest that anyone from Wings intentionally scratched your car. That is not fair to say especially since you were there, right by your car while it was being put on the dyno, while it was dynoed, and when it was taken off. If at any point you felt that a mistake was made, then you should have said something right then and there.
But to assume Wings or any of its affiliates scratched your car with intent (or even on accident for that matter) without witnessing such an event is irresponsible on your part and trying to defame them publicly is not appreciated.
I feel very sorry for how you feel as you seemed to have had a good time at the dyno event and as you were leaving. I thought we had a pretty good discussion as fellow tuners and i appreciated your time in speaking with you at the event.
no one else had any complaints about the event or have yet to express them.
Again, I'm sorry (tuner to tuner) that you have scratches on your car. But I honestly dont think it happened at wings. And thats all i have to say about the matter at this time. If you want to speak to me or Wing privately as professional adults, then do so.
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Jon, Have you read what you posted? You really expect not to make enemies after saying things like:
Did you even try to resolve with Wing before posting on a public forum?
Not for nothing, your car is full of swirls and some are pretty heavy. When you say you detail , I highly doubt it especially when you told me that you use wax to cover the swirls.
BTW, skip to the 8:26 of this video. Being that you called everyone's car at Wing's a POS, I am pretty sure this is yours in the video.
I do not see anyone leaning on your trunk or door.
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Originally Posted by JonsilvZ
Most of the cars there were beat up POS anyway. WINGS PERFORMANCE SUCKS DICK! I think I'm getting a bumper sticker that says that.
Originally Posted by JonsilvZ
Wings Performance ****ing suck ****! Never want to deal with them ***** again! I will pass it on.
Not for nothing, your car is full of swirls and some are pretty heavy. When you say you detail , I highly doubt it especially when you told me that you use wax to cover the swirls.
BTW, skip to the 8:26 of this video. Being that you called everyone's car at Wing's a POS, I am pretty sure this is yours in the video.
I do not see anyone leaning on your trunk or door.
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Jon
If you dont want to deal with the guys at Wings again, that's fine. You have a right to take your car and do whatever you like to you car.
Just please understand where I am coming from this.
You were there with your car the whole time.
You never saw anything happen at the shop because IF you did see something, you would have said something there right? Anyone with any kind of car, where it be the corvette, the stangs, the maxima, the Z's, or the other 240sx, no matter what the condition and no matter what your opinion of them is, Anyone in their right mind would have said something if they saw something happen to their car, agreed?
(which btw, your vocal opinion of the other cars, while you have a right to your opinion, is not appreciated either. One of those 240sx just won set drift set up at street wars vi which had over 900 cars in show attendance and we also just won 1st place with the GST track car at spring nationals. So please, dont disrespect our cars or the other customers' cars that come to the shop. disrespecting the cars has nothing to do with your complaint, but it does make your complaint look less realistic and more emotional. )
As far as i know , you never even tried to contact the CEO, you just posted up here first. (correct me if i am wrong, but I'm at the shop pretty often)
And the only person in your car is the same person that hooked up the car, and he wears gloves. And you watched him with your own eyes.
Again, you were there 100% of the time. You never made any mention of any grievence or concern about your car while it was in the shop.
Without a witness how am I to hold them responsible for the situation as you present it? Even you agreed, black paint shows its flaws easily. And i agree, My car is also black and its 15 yrs old. lol Even though it was garaged most of its life, it isnt perfect either. And now someone else on this site is claiming you have a bad case of swirls on your car before anyway.
::shrugs::Just didnt help your case.
All I'm saying personally , from me to you, I feel ya. Nothing sucks more then finding a new mystery scratch or ding or swirl mark in the car. But without witnessing this so called incident, please dont try to blow a company out publicly. its not professional and its just uncool. You carried yourself at the show like you were a mature professional but your diction here almost makes it appear like I'm speaking with a different person altogether.
Everyone there to the best of my knowledge treated you with respect. I know I did. So please dont disrespect back. I love my car even though it costs a penny compared to what you paid for for your car.
And i'm totally fine with that.
and i appreciate the beauty and style of a variety of cars. Not everyone is into the same car. if we all were, then car shows would be boring.![Smilie](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
And not for nothing, but if everyone's car is a piece of **** as you suggested, why would you even be on this site? You didnt bring a Z, but here you are on a Z site saying the only nice car at the dyno event was yours car...again...not a fairlady. I'm sure the people on this site wouldnt appreciate your bashing of cars either.
But thats just my 2cents.![dunno](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
I understand your emotional need to lash out alittle because you are upset about some scratches on your baby, but I dont understand how you can blame people for something that you didnt even see them do. There is no evidence saying it was from them.
So thats where we are with the situation.
Again, we wish you lots of luck with your car.
If you dont want to deal with the guys at Wings again, that's fine. You have a right to take your car and do whatever you like to you car.
Just please understand where I am coming from this.
You were there with your car the whole time.
You never saw anything happen at the shop because IF you did see something, you would have said something there right? Anyone with any kind of car, where it be the corvette, the stangs, the maxima, the Z's, or the other 240sx, no matter what the condition and no matter what your opinion of them is, Anyone in their right mind would have said something if they saw something happen to their car, agreed?
(which btw, your vocal opinion of the other cars, while you have a right to your opinion, is not appreciated either. One of those 240sx just won set drift set up at street wars vi which had over 900 cars in show attendance and we also just won 1st place with the GST track car at spring nationals. So please, dont disrespect our cars or the other customers' cars that come to the shop. disrespecting the cars has nothing to do with your complaint, but it does make your complaint look less realistic and more emotional. )
As far as i know , you never even tried to contact the CEO, you just posted up here first. (correct me if i am wrong, but I'm at the shop pretty often)
And the only person in your car is the same person that hooked up the car, and he wears gloves. And you watched him with your own eyes.
Again, you were there 100% of the time. You never made any mention of any grievence or concern about your car while it was in the shop.
Without a witness how am I to hold them responsible for the situation as you present it? Even you agreed, black paint shows its flaws easily. And i agree, My car is also black and its 15 yrs old. lol Even though it was garaged most of its life, it isnt perfect either. And now someone else on this site is claiming you have a bad case of swirls on your car before anyway.
::shrugs::Just didnt help your case.
All I'm saying personally , from me to you, I feel ya. Nothing sucks more then finding a new mystery scratch or ding or swirl mark in the car. But without witnessing this so called incident, please dont try to blow a company out publicly. its not professional and its just uncool. You carried yourself at the show like you were a mature professional but your diction here almost makes it appear like I'm speaking with a different person altogether.
Everyone there to the best of my knowledge treated you with respect. I know I did. So please dont disrespect back. I love my car even though it costs a penny compared to what you paid for for your car.
And i'm totally fine with that.
and i appreciate the beauty and style of a variety of cars. Not everyone is into the same car. if we all were, then car shows would be boring.
![Smilie](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
And not for nothing, but if everyone's car is a piece of **** as you suggested, why would you even be on this site? You didnt bring a Z, but here you are on a Z site saying the only nice car at the dyno event was yours car...again...not a fairlady. I'm sure the people on this site wouldnt appreciate your bashing of cars either.
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I understand your emotional need to lash out alittle because you are upset about some scratches on your baby, but I dont understand how you can blame people for something that you didnt even see them do. There is no evidence saying it was from them.
So thats where we are with the situation.
Again, we wish you lots of luck with your car.
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Jon, Have you read what you posted? You really expect not to make enemies after saying things like:
Did you even try to resolve with Wing before posting on a public forum?
Not for nothing, your car is full of swirls and some are pretty heavy. When you say you detail , I highly doubt it especially when you told me that you use wax to cover the swirls.
BTW, skip to the 8:26 of this video. Being that you called everyone's car at Wing's a POS, I am pretty sure this is yours in the video.
I do not see anyone leaning on your trunk or door.
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Did you even try to resolve with Wing before posting on a public forum?
Not for nothing, your car is full of swirls and some are pretty heavy. When you say you detail , I highly doubt it especially when you told me that you use wax to cover the swirls.
BTW, skip to the 8:26 of this video. Being that you called everyone's car at Wing's a POS, I am pretty sure this is yours in the video.
I do not see anyone leaning on your trunk or door.
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Jon
If you dont want to deal with the guys at Wings again, that's fine. You have a right to take your car and do whatever you like to you car.
Just please understand where I am coming from this.
You were there with your car the whole time.
You never saw anything happen at the shop because IF you did see something, you would have said something there right? Anyone with any kind of car, where it be the corvette, the stangs, the maxima, the Z's, or the other 240sx, no matter what the condition and no matter what your opinion of them is, Anyone in their right mind would have said something if they saw something happen to their car, agreed?
(which btw, your vocal opinion of the other cars, while you have a right to your opinion, is not appreciated either. One of those 240sx just won set drift set up at street wars vi which had over 900 cars in show attendance and we also just won 1st place with the GST track car at spring nationals. So please, dont disrespect our cars or the other customers' cars that come to the shop. disrespecting the cars has nothing to do with your complaint, but it does make your complaint look less realistic and more emotional. )
As far as i know , you never even tried to contact the CEO, you just posted up here first. (correct me if i am wrong, but I'm at the shop pretty often)
And the only person in your car is the same person that hooked up the car, and he wears gloves. And you watched him with your own eyes.
Again, you were there 100% of the time. You never made any mention of any grievence or concern about your car while it was in the shop.
Without a witness how am I to hold them responsible for the situation as you present it? Even you agreed, black paint shows its flaws easily. And i agree, My car is also black and its 15 yrs old. lol Even though it was garaged most of its life, it isnt perfect either. And now someone else on this site is claiming you have a bad case of swirls on your car before anyway.
::shrugs::Just didnt help your case.
All I'm saying personally , from me to you, I feel ya. Nothing sucks more then finding a new mystery scratch or ding or swirl mark in the car. But without witnessing this so called incident, please dont try to blow a company out publicly. its not professional and its just uncool. You carried yourself at the show like you were a mature professional but your diction here almost makes it appear like I'm speaking with a different person altogether.
Everyone there to the best of my knowledge treated you with respect. I know I did. So please dont disrespect back. I love my car even though it costs a penny compared to what you paid for for your car.
And i'm totally fine with that.
and i appreciate the beauty and style of a variety of cars. Not everyone is into the same car. if we all were, then car shows would be boring.![Smilie](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
And not for nothing, but if everyone's car is a piece of **** as you suggested, why would you even be on this site? You didnt bring a Z, but here you are on a Z site saying the only nice car at the dyno event was yours car...again...not a fairlady. I'm sure the people on this site wouldnt appreciate your bashing of cars either.
But thats just my 2cents.![dunno](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
I understand your emotional need to lash out alittle because you are upset about some scratches on your baby, but I dont understand how you can blame people for something that you didnt even see them do. There is no evidence saying it was from them.
So thats where we are with the situation.
Again, we wish you lots of luck with your car.
If you dont want to deal with the guys at Wings again, that's fine. You have a right to take your car and do whatever you like to you car.
Just please understand where I am coming from this.
You were there with your car the whole time.
You never saw anything happen at the shop because IF you did see something, you would have said something there right? Anyone with any kind of car, where it be the corvette, the stangs, the maxima, the Z's, or the other 240sx, no matter what the condition and no matter what your opinion of them is, Anyone in their right mind would have said something if they saw something happen to their car, agreed?
(which btw, your vocal opinion of the other cars, while you have a right to your opinion, is not appreciated either. One of those 240sx just won set drift set up at street wars vi which had over 900 cars in show attendance and we also just won 1st place with the GST track car at spring nationals. So please, dont disrespect our cars or the other customers' cars that come to the shop. disrespecting the cars has nothing to do with your complaint, but it does make your complaint look less realistic and more emotional. )
As far as i know , you never even tried to contact the CEO, you just posted up here first. (correct me if i am wrong, but I'm at the shop pretty often)
And the only person in your car is the same person that hooked up the car, and he wears gloves. And you watched him with your own eyes.
Again, you were there 100% of the time. You never made any mention of any grievence or concern about your car while it was in the shop.
Without a witness how am I to hold them responsible for the situation as you present it? Even you agreed, black paint shows its flaws easily. And i agree, My car is also black and its 15 yrs old. lol Even though it was garaged most of its life, it isnt perfect either. And now someone else on this site is claiming you have a bad case of swirls on your car before anyway.
::shrugs::Just didnt help your case.
All I'm saying personally , from me to you, I feel ya. Nothing sucks more then finding a new mystery scratch or ding or swirl mark in the car. But without witnessing this so called incident, please dont try to blow a company out publicly. its not professional and its just uncool. You carried yourself at the show like you were a mature professional but your diction here almost makes it appear like I'm speaking with a different person altogether.
Everyone there to the best of my knowledge treated you with respect. I know I did. So please dont disrespect back. I love my car even though it costs a penny compared to what you paid for for your car.
And i'm totally fine with that.
and i appreciate the beauty and style of a variety of cars. Not everyone is into the same car. if we all were, then car shows would be boring.
![Smilie](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
And not for nothing, but if everyone's car is a piece of **** as you suggested, why would you even be on this site? You didnt bring a Z, but here you are on a Z site saying the only nice car at the dyno event was yours car...again...not a fairlady. I'm sure the people on this site wouldnt appreciate your bashing of cars either.
![dunno](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
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I understand your emotional need to lash out alittle because you are upset about some scratches on your baby, but I dont understand how you can blame people for something that you didnt even see them do. There is no evidence saying it was from them.
So thats where we are with the situation.
Again, we wish you lots of luck with your car.
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Ms Ladypaula I understand your trying to cover Wings Perf responsibilities. But I am a paying customer who went there for a good time which I did. Unfortunately it turned sour after I found out what Wings Perf did. Why would I lie about this?
Also I never bashed 350zs. But that day there were alot of ricers-POS. I wonder where all the 350zs were at dyno day?
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I'm actually not covering for anyone. There is nothing to 'cover up'.
I'm not on his payroll lol so its not like i 'get paid' to say anything. What i say to you is from the heart. And I'm not saying you are lieing about a scratch being on the car. What I'm saying is blaming it on people when you didnt see it happen is a suggestive lie( and basically defamation) because you have no proof or real evidence to say it was them.
Like i said, no one, including yourself , saw anything harmful happen to your car. And car owner to car owner, I feel for ya because it sucks finding a 'new 'scratch on a car. No doubt a scratch would put a frown on my face.
I just wish you wouldnt blame people for things you didnt see.
thats all man. That would be like me coming back at you saying "oh your exhaust riped part of the strap on the dyno. I didnt see it the day of the dyno but i noticed it 2 days after, but it must be from your car and not the other 14 cars that were on there" ...That would be ridiculous for me to say , agreed? Exactly. I'd be totally out of line to suggest something like that to ANYONE without witness.
no hard feelings between us i hope because like i said, when i met you you seemed pretty cool. I just wished this "issue' was handled differently, especially since i thought we all had some mutual respect. I'm about respect. plan and simple. Ask any of my fans.
All the best
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I'm actually not covering for anyone. There is nothing to 'cover up'.
I'm not on his payroll lol so its not like i 'get paid' to say anything. What i say to you is from the heart. And I'm not saying you are lieing about a scratch being on the car. What I'm saying is blaming it on people when you didnt see it happen is a suggestive lie( and basically defamation) because you have no proof or real evidence to say it was them.
Like i said, no one, including yourself , saw anything harmful happen to your car. And car owner to car owner, I feel for ya because it sucks finding a 'new 'scratch on a car. No doubt a scratch would put a frown on my face.
I just wish you wouldnt blame people for things you didnt see.
thats all man. That would be like me coming back at you saying "oh your exhaust riped part of the strap on the dyno. I didnt see it the day of the dyno but i noticed it 2 days after, but it must be from your car and not the other 14 cars that were on there" ...That would be ridiculous for me to say , agreed? Exactly. I'd be totally out of line to suggest something like that to ANYONE without witness.
no hard feelings between us i hope because like i said, when i met you you seemed pretty cool. I just wished this "issue' was handled differently, especially since i thought we all had some mutual respect. I'm about respect. plan and simple. Ask any of my fans.
All the best
I'm not on his payroll lol so its not like i 'get paid' to say anything. What i say to you is from the heart. And I'm not saying you are lieing about a scratch being on the car. What I'm saying is blaming it on people when you didnt see it happen is a suggestive lie( and basically defamation) because you have no proof or real evidence to say it was them.
Like i said, no one, including yourself , saw anything harmful happen to your car. And car owner to car owner, I feel for ya because it sucks finding a 'new 'scratch on a car. No doubt a scratch would put a frown on my face.
I just wish you wouldnt blame people for things you didnt see.
thats all man. That would be like me coming back at you saying "oh your exhaust riped part of the strap on the dyno. I didnt see it the day of the dyno but i noticed it 2 days after, but it must be from your car and not the other 14 cars that were on there" ...That would be ridiculous for me to say , agreed? Exactly. I'd be totally out of line to suggest something like that to ANYONE without witness.
no hard feelings between us i hope because like i said, when i met you you seemed pretty cool. I just wished this "issue' was handled differently, especially since i thought we all had some mutual respect. I'm about respect. plan and simple. Ask any of my fans.
All the best
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Dude, stop making it look like they intentionally scratched your car. We've had so many windy days lately where a simple little twig could've fallen on the trunk as you were driving and scratched it. I think the accusations need to stop.
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Mods can lock this thread if they like.
Thank you to everyone who brought their cars, no matter what make and model. Your time was appreciated. Hope to see you around at some of the local car shows.
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Thank you to everyone who brought their cars, no matter what make and model. Your time was appreciated. Hope to see you around at some of the local car shows.
xoxo
ms ldy paula
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Would you like to see what a little twig did to the trunk of my Audi as it fell while I was going about 40 through a local area? A nice and long scratch, looks like a key mark.
Ah well, I agree, mods should lock this up. The event is long over anyway.
Ah well, I agree, mods should lock this up. The event is long over anyway.
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Jon, its a ****ing car, you even said you buffed it out, and the video disproves everything you claim. I street park my car, go through a car wash, and have curb rash on one of my wheels, I bet you'd have a heart attack if you saw my car in the bright sun.
If you don't want anything to happen to a street driven car, don't take it out. Wrap it up tight, stick it in a cave somewhere and recover it just about when you're about to die.![Smilie](https://my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
You live in NYC, home of potholes, road debris, pigeon **** and acid rain... deal with it.
If you don't want anything to happen to a street driven car, don't take it out. Wrap it up tight, stick it in a cave somewhere and recover it just about when you're about to die.
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You live in NYC, home of potholes, road debris, pigeon **** and acid rain... deal with it.
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