Totaled my Z at the track last weekend
Originally Posted by Abishop
This story just reinforces why i don't want to take my car to the road track.
WOW!!! 
Sorry to hear about your car Ross. Glad you were unharmed. Also glad you got right back behind the wheel for some more lapping!Don't know if I could've done that.
Also you are more at risk getting into an accident on a public road driving within every law available than on a closed course driving at high speeds. Safety is stressed so much at HPDE events vs the public that are driving with various distractions.
Sorry to hear about your car Ross. Glad you were unharmed. Also glad you got right back behind the wheel for some more lapping!Don't know if I could've done that.
Originally Posted by Abishop
Wow, sorry to hear about this! Good call on taking it to Moe's shop.
This story just reinforces why i don't want to take my car to the road track.
This story just reinforces why i don't want to take my car to the road track.
Originally Posted by Dave 90TT
Bah. Accidents are few and far between. They do happen, Ross is certainly evidence to that, but, to me at least, the enjoyment I get is worth the risk I am taking. It is, of course, an individual decision you have to make for yourself.
Also you are more at risk getting into an accident on a public road driving within every law available than on a closed course driving at high speeds. Safety is stressed so much at HPDE events vs the public that are driving with various distractions.
Originally Posted by Robert_K
Also you are more at risk getting into an accident on a public road driving within every law available than on a closed course driving at high speeds. Safety is stressed so much at HPDE events vs the public that are driving with various distractions.As a side note, the argument that one is a lot more likely to get into a wreck on a public street than on a track is unfounded. It is relying on the assumption that the said driver would drive just as aggressively on the street (and the layout would be just as tough) as on the track. Most of us get nowhere near track levels of speed and G forces on the way to/from work, grocery stores and the like. The argument also relies on basic statistics; i.e. if one drives 50 miles on a track in one year compared to 15,000 on the street, the odds based on mileage alone would dictate that he is more likely to get into a wreck on the street. But as I mentioned above, that argument doesn't work since the variables in the two scenarios are VASTLY different.
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Originally Posted by usmanasif
You didn't catch the context of Bishop's and Dave's posts. Bishop was referring to the lack of insurance coverage on the track and Dave mentioned that to him it is worth the risk. In other words, if Ross's damage was on the street, he wouldn't be worried about coverage.
As a side note, the argument that one is a lot more likely to get into a wreck on a public street than on a track is unfounded. It is relying on the assumption that the said driver would drive just as aggressively on the street (and the layout would be just as tough) as on the track. Most of us get nowhere near track levels of speed and G forces on the way to/from work, grocery stores and the like. The argument also relies on basic statistics; i.e. if one drives 50 miles on a track in one year compared to 15,000 on the street, the odds based on mileage alone would dictate that he is more likely to get into a wreck on the street. But as I mentioned above, that argument doesn't work since the variables in the two scenarios are VASTLY different.
As a side note, the argument that one is a lot more likely to get into a wreck on a public street than on a track is unfounded. It is relying on the assumption that the said driver would drive just as aggressively on the street (and the layout would be just as tough) as on the track. Most of us get nowhere near track levels of speed and G forces on the way to/from work, grocery stores and the like. The argument also relies on basic statistics; i.e. if one drives 50 miles on a track in one year compared to 15,000 on the street, the odds based on mileage alone would dictate that he is more likely to get into a wreck on the street. But as I mentioned above, that argument doesn't work since the variables in the two scenarios are VASTLY different.
Why should we all bicker, he just doesnt want to go because he is a grandma who drives his glass car! I think it just shows he doesn't have the driving skill to keep up! Heh, just giving you **** Bishop. I know your car is for show and the kit needs to be top notch!
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So how does a driver lose the instinctual response to get off the gas and induce the trailing throttle oversteer? Everyone tells you not to do it but when you start sharting your pants when the rear end walks around----the novice and at times not so novice driver makes the mistake of lifting.
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Originally Posted by radiologue
So how does a driver lose the instinctual response to get off the gas and induce the trailing throttle oversteer? Everyone tells you not to do it but when you start sharting your pants when the rear end walks around----the novice and at times not so novice driver makes the mistake of lifting.
It was the first session of the day and the track was still cold and somewhat green. While I know Ross felt the car had good grip right up to the point it let go, I'm betting he'll approach things more methodically in the future! Also, having new (stiffer) swaybars can make the Z somewhat pitch sensitive in a corner that loads the left side heavily.
Despite novice or experienced status, we all have to realize that we're human and can make mistakes. Learning from those mistakes is what separates the good or great driver from the ordinary one. Ross has taken a good step in acknowledging his errors and I'm betting he'll learn a lot from it!
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Originally Posted by Dave 90TT
Bah. Accidents are few and far between. They do happen, Ross is certainly evidence to that, but, to me at least, the enjoyment I get is worth the risk I am taking. It is, of course, an individual decision you have to make for yourself.
Originally Posted by WSchli1672
Main thing is not hurt. The is excellent.
Ross: Sorry to hear about this, but kudos for getting back up and on the track. That corner does seem to be a bad one because I've seem another car end up against the inner wall at a HPDE after a rainstorm. Hopefully everything will work out for the best with the Z.
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Originally Posted by jmark
$67 per $10k covered and a 5% deductible. Kinda pricey for one day?