Originally Posted by solidsnake

MZM is good but they only deal with APS. They did my friend craigs Z and his APS TT and they did an awesome job. That car pulled like crazy. You can go by and check how much but I would make an appointment at SGP.

Originally Posted by gatti-man

Yes, here is why. I considered getting the aps st (i dont want or need a tt set-up this is a DD not a track car) but for the price of admission and the way my car is already set up the TN was all i needed as far as hardware. The FCON mirrors our own ecu in the terms of power and adjustability where other piggy backs or a reflash just cant. For examply. Im a restaurant GM. My car needs to be able to run anywhere from 32-105 degrees ambient temp. This means that i need an ecu that automaticly adjusts to all sorts of different factors not just a map driven ems like the unichip or utec. The FCON can run maps but it also runs based on target af rations and a high resolution map sensor. So in other words this set-up maximizes my chances of having zero problems which is what i want.
Also i plan on building my motor sooner or later and adding more boost sooo i figure i will want it sooner or later anyways.

Originally Posted by TruBluZ

OK, so no more complaining about price. We all know the HKS FCon is not the cheapest route! How can you complain about $500 when you are wanting a $2000 EMS, including the $500 harness?

Originally Posted by nexstage350

don't forget u still need to find a HKS certified dealer that tunes it. they u are back @ sqaure one again

Originally Posted by TruBluZ

OK, so no more complaining about price. We all know the HKS FCon is not the cheapest route! How can you complain about $500 when you are wanting a $2000 EMS, including the $500 harness?

Originally Posted by TK2005

How did I miss this thread? You want to put a $5K EMS (installed/tuned) on a $4K turbo kit with no other mods or build? It seems that you would have a lot of better options. MZM, Jo-Tech, and SGP are all good. Go where ever you want. Rethink your plan though.

Originally Posted by gatti-man

Why does everyone think its a 5k ems. Its a 2.5k ems with tune! This is the price i was quoted from jo-tech installed. The whole main unit is like 1299. TK2005 did you read my post as to WHY i feel i should do this? Id love someone to tell me that the less expensive piggy backs can actually handle those kind of differing conditions. From everyone ive talked to that actually knows what they are talking about it has been a resounding NO.

Originally Posted by TruBluZ

Where did you get quoted $1299 for the FCon? If it is an authorized dealer, don't look for them to be a dealer for long. I know that HKS is VERY strict with their dealers on the pricing of their equipment. We ARE talking about the FCon VPro correct?

Originally Posted by gatti-man

To all those saying sgp is a great shop i agree but what they want to charge for a TN install is worse than highway robery. 1800!!!! At that quoted price im paying about 200/hr for labor lol. They said oh well we do a quality install and replace all the lines etc im like ok so we are at 1200-1300 where is the extra 500 coming from. Im all about paying for quality but 1800 is a little steep for a very simple install.

Originally Posted by gatti-man

Why does everyone think its a 5k ems. Its a 2.5k ems with tune! This is the price i was quoted from jo-tech installed. The whole main unit is like 1299. TK2005 did you read my post as to WHY i feel i should do this? Id love someone to tell me that the less expensive piggy backs can actually handle those kind of differing conditions. From everyone ive talked to that actually knows what they are talking about it has been a resounding NO.

Originally Posted by sands

What does 1800 include? Just the install with the reflash? In your first post you say an install and tune, so that makes it apear that an install and tune make it sound like you are not going with the flash. If the price includes an install and tune of alternate engine management then it does not seem off base.

Originally Posted by TK2005

Just the unit plus the harness is almost $2K. That won't include the other sensors either. Either you aren't getting it all or your prices are wrong. You can always go to HKS' website and get the list prices. You can figure you'll pay a little less than list and then for the tune.

Originally Posted by gatti-man

Well i called the guy at jo-tech and he said with all parts installed it would run 2500. After doing some more research ive seen very high list prices but in alot of phone convos and personal pms with owners the concesus is around 2500-2800. Maybe list is high but for my exp when it actually comes time to do it around 2500. Just a tune at jo-tech for the vpro is 600 at sgp 400.

Originally Posted by TK2005

I sincerely hope that is the case but I guaran-damn-tee you if getting the VPRO only costed $1K more than doing the emanagage ultimate then everyone would have it. Let us know how it turns out because I may be interested as well for that price. I think most FI guys in TX would be willing to make the switch as well.