Hi folks

Suffice to say I'm the noob's noob. I don't even have the UTEC or tuner yet. It's on the way. But I've done a fair amount of homework and I know what's coming. And with help from a few friends I'm ready to take tuning head-on and have a blast with it!

But, I'd like to have a good place to start. I know TurboXS offers base maps but I'm sure they are for milder mods. I'm not pushing the mod envelope or anything, but I've got a few tricks that the TXS base map may not like.

So I'm wondering if anyone has an NA map that would help me get started as a good base map for the following mods:
06 RevUp
Nismo CAI
Nismo Spec-1 Cams
Nismo Headers
Nismo Y-pipe/mid/Exhaust


The more conservative the map, the better right now. I'm just hoping to avoid some of the growing pains I've read about getting through those first few maps. If anything is going to give me trouble from the default base maps from TXS it will be the cams. But I just don't know.

Anyway, I'm just trying to plan ahead. :-)

Wouldn't it be cool if everyone put their maps together, along with notes for each map, and then someone could organize the maps into categories based on the notes? Then dump all that into a searchable database. Eg. "Search maps: cams, exhaust, na" would yield all the maps that cover that spec. Food for thought.. Wish I knew databases!

Thx in advance
-Smoky

 

i would think the person you bought the utec from would be able to help you out......






hmm... guess not...

 

Not sure why the retailer would help? I suppose I could ask.

"hmmm... guess not..." You know something i don't?

Are you against map sharing Audible? I thought it was a good idea. The Suby guys have entire forums dedicated to UTEC map sharing and community support.

Did I assume too much? Or is my request "faux pas" ? It is an honest question... I'm just getting into tuning so I dunno how you guys approach it. I just made the assumption from reading posts here and on other tuning forums that it would be an ok thing to ask.

Thx
-Smoky

 

Most UTEC dealers "should have" enough tuning experience to get you on the right track

 

Of course. But I mean TXS has a base map too. But it probably won't work well with my mods. The problem is that the TXS baseline is for CAI and exhaust, and I've got a bit more than that (not much, but a little with the cams and headers).

And the retailer is technically only responsible to support me enough to find TXS's baseline map. I wouldn't expect nor ask my retailer for more than that. That's what this community is supposed to be for.

Really I just wanted to see if anyone with similar mods as me could provide a base map that I could look at and learn from until my UTEC arrives. And I wanted to see if I could stir interest in map exchanges, etc.

Buuuut.. seems like I stirred the pot and folks would prefer I ask my retailer rather than this community about maps. So okie dokie, I won't raise the issue here again.

Are you guys protective over your maps or something?

 

some are more than others...but most here prefer to share.

someone should start a thread for utec base maps that includes modifications...a database of sorts for utec users/tuners

 

for some weird reason no one whats to share map's. it's already been tried!!! go figure!!!

 

The basline map will be fine for you. See the problem with what people think is that the map provided for them isnt going to work. Well your right, but that is why you bought the UTEC in the first place is to TUNE it. What you need to do is 2-3 runs in 4th on the highway, or go to a dyno and do the runs in 5th. Log from 2k rpms to redline FULL THROTTLE! You will then have to adjust your timing and A/F accordingly.. I can guarantee that after reading your logs and changing A/F and your timing, your car will run sooo much better and now guess what, you have your very own map. IMHO, map sharing with these engines shouldnt be like the subbies do!


No but the wrong map 'could' fubar someones car up.. And then who is gonna get blamed for the F' up??

I lent a map to a friend yesterday. He made some runs with it and logged, then sent me the logs. I looked at them and couldnt believe the timing differences from his car to mine. My map is advanced +2 and his timing suddenly advanced +10 because of my timing settings! He was knockin like crazy(knock counts of 10-17) because my timing was waaaaaay different than his.. PM any of the expert tuners here and they will tell you the same poo, the timing on these engines are different.

Dont worry about the map. You will have your own custom map after 5 runs and changing settings in the utec.

 

good point...i didn't take that into consideration

 

K. Cuz I've done a lot of research and reading here and on several other forums (including forums for other cars using the UTEC, and for those interested some of these 350z forums offer UTEC map sharing threads).

And each time I come across a "help" post, 9/10 it is someone trying to get through the first base map, with lots of smoke, sputtering fuel out the pipes, rough idle, etc. I'd rather not put the car through all that, or risk fouling plugs (which adds another step).

But at the same time, just as you did, so many people get going enough to get through that first map that they make the first tune ok.

But I'm worried cuz of my cams. I have read specific examples of the Z pulling timing so much that cam cars would not accel past 6000rpm during these first runs on the base map.

So I'm just trying to be diligent and do my homework. That's all.

Thx
-Smoky

 

Everyone is responsible for themselves. As the manual clearly states, "know what you are changing and why you are changing it." This applies if someone is changing a single parameter or an entire table.

Also, to clarify, I'm only suggesting folks exchange non-Open Loop Fuelling strategies. Exchanging entire maps would be very risky and too difficult to manage.

Thx for the awareness though Ken. As always your tips are very useful. I still say you need to go back through all your old posts during your first experiences and put them all together in a single writeup, then get it stickied.

 

I am by no means even considering myself an expert with this thing, I feel I am in the beginner stages still.

See the thing is the utec for our engine is still very new. The majority of people that know it like tha back of their hand(Sharif and Julian to name a few) arent going to post much about how to tune the utec as it is how they make a living. They most certainly arent going to shoot themselves in the foot. I do understand that alot of people live outside their region and that really doesnt come into play but what does is their ego.... So, they are going to try to make the most of this wave and try to ride it as long as they can. Personally if I lived in Ga. or NJ. I would go to these guys and pay them to tune my car WHILE learning also how to do it myself. Problem is I live in a city that when I go to get my car on the dyno, I will be showing them how to install the UTEC, connect to it and tune with it..lol

Hope this helps shed some light..

 

I'm the same exact boat as you. There is a shop within 4 hours of me that has some experience with the UTEC, but I've heard some odd things about them which gives me pause before having it tuned.

I may end up going down there anyway. Even if I do successfully tune myself, I'll still want to see how it compares to a pro.

 

no i am just saying that, the lowest price on stuff is not always the best. say you were to get your utec and stuff from me, i would have provided you a choice of a couple maps that would be a good starting point, then i would walk you through the install if you has ANY questions, then i would explain and teach you step by step on how to tune it. people that are just buying utecs and selling them cheap will not be able to do that for the most parts.

i was being sarcastic as usual, im kidding though...

 

yeah ken, you have some crazy a$$ stock timing for sure....

 

when did nismo make cams for the revups?

 

Long story short, you use only the r-tune intake cams.

The OEM RevUp exhaust cams have slightly higher lift and duration over non-RevUp, which brings them very close in spec to the Nismo r-tune exhaust cams. Thus, the r-tune intake and rev-up exhaust cams are compatible. I'm living proof! :-)

The main reason you cannot use the r-tune exhaust cams is because of the Rev-up's added variable exhaust cam timing assembly.