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Old May 13, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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Default Tuners please help, absolute throttle never above 82%

I logged my data during my 1/4mi runs on my auto g35,,
what i found interesting is that my absolute throttle position was never above 82% and load is around 89% on those runs. Is this normal or not?
I have all the data in Excel file if anyone is interested in digging a little deeper, i got 02 sensors, short and long trim, timing and much more info there that could be of help to somone who knows what they are looking for.


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Fuel System 1 Status Closed Loop: Using oxygen sensor(s) as feedback for fuel control. OL/CL CL OL/CL
Fuel System 2 Status Closed Loop: Using oxygen sensor(s) as feedback for fuel control. OL/CL CL OL/CL
Calculated Load Value 27.45 % 27.45 %
Engine Coolant Temperature 199.4 deg F 93 deg C
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) -0.78125 % -0.78125 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 3.90625 % 3.90625 %
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) -3.125 % -3.125 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 0 % 0 %
Engine RPM 700 rpm 700 rpm
Vehicle Speed Sensor 0 mph 0 km/h
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder 7 deg 7 deg
Intake Air Temperature 91.4 deg F 33 deg C
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor 0.619061267 lb/min 4.68 g/s
Absolute Throttle Position 0.784313725 % 0.784313725 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0.63 V 0.63 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 1) -2.34375 % -2.34375 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2) 0.18 V 0.18 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0.85 V 0.85 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 1) -2.34375 % -2.34375 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2) 0.26 V 0.26 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Fuel System 1 Status Closed Loop: Using oxygen sensor(s) as feedback for fuel control. OL/CL CL OL/CL
Fuel System 2 Status Closed Loop: Using oxygen sensor(s) as feedback for fuel control. OL/CL CL OL/CL
Calculated Load Value 26.27 % 26.27 %
Engine Coolant Temperature 201.2 deg F 94 deg C
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 12.5 % 12.5 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) -0.78125 % -0.78125 %
Engine RPM 2850 rpm 2850 rpm
Vehicle Speed Sensor 16.25 mph 26 km/h
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder 25 deg 25 deg
Intake Air Temperature 82.4 deg F 28 deg C
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor 18.85623581 lb/min 142.55 g/s
Absolute Throttle Position 81.56862745 % 81.56862745 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0.89 V 0.89 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2) 0.9 V 0.9 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0.86 V 0.86 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2) 0.9 V 0.9 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Fuel System 1 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Fuel System 2 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Calculated Load Value 88.24 % 88.24 %
Engine Coolant Temperature 197.6 deg F 92 deg C
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) -0.78125 % -0.78125 %
Engine RPM 6412.5 rpm 6412.5 rpm
Vehicle Speed Sensor 61.25 mph 98 km/h
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder 21 deg 21 deg
Intake Air Temperature 66.2 deg F 19 deg C
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor 18.70014771 lb/min 141.37 g/s
Absolute Throttle Position 81.56862745 % 81.56862745 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0.82 V 0.82 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2) 0.87 V 0.87 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0.79 V 0.79 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2) 0.86 V 0.86 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Fuel System 1 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Fuel System 2 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Calculated Load Value 89.41 % 89.41 %
Engine Coolant Temperature 201.2 deg F 94 deg C
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) -0.78125 % -0.78125 %
Engine RPM 5912.5 rpm 5912.5 rpm
Vehicle Speed Sensor 87.5 mph 140 km/h
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder 21 deg 21 deg
Intake Air Temperature 62.6 deg F 17 deg C
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor 23.15130404 lb/min 175.02 g/s
Absolute Throttle Position 81.17647059 % 81.17647059 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0.82 V 0.82 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2) 0.85 V 0.85 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0.77 V 0.77 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2) 0.85 V 0.85 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Fuel System 1 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Fuel System 2 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Calculated Load Value 89.41 % 89.41 %
Engine Coolant Temperature 203 deg F 95 deg C
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) -0.78125 % -0.78125 %
Engine RPM 3975 rpm 3975 rpm
Vehicle Speed Sensor 87.5 mph 140 km/h
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder 15 deg 15 deg
Intake Air Temperature 66.2 deg F 19 deg C
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor 1.113781168 lb/min 8.42 g/s
Absolute Throttle Position 0.784313725 % 0.784313725 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0.05 V 0.05 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2) 0.34 V 0.34 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0.04 V 0.04 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 3.125 % 3.125 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2) 0.09 V 0.09 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Fuel System 1 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Fuel System 2 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Calculated Load Value 9.8 % 9.8 %
Engine Coolant Temperature 203 deg F 95 deg C
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 3.125 % 3.125 %
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 1.5625 % 1.5625 %
Engine RPM 1825 rpm 1825 rpm
Vehicle Speed Sensor 55 mph 88 km/h
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder 10 deg 10 deg
Intake Air Temperature 71.6 deg F 22 deg C
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor 0.57276395 lb/min 4.33 g/s
Absolute Throttle Position 0.784313725 % 0.784313725 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0 V 0 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2) 0 V 0 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0 V 0 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2) 0.02 V 0.02 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %

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Old May 13, 2008 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by infinitialex
I logged my data during my 1/4mi runs on my auto g35,,
what i found interesting is that my absolute throttle position was never above 82% and load is around 89% on those runs. Is this normal or not?
I have all the data in Excel file if anyone is interested in digging a little deeper, i got 02 sensors, short and long trim, timing and much more info there that could be of help to somone who knows what they are looking for.
Take your floor matt out...LOL
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Old May 13, 2008 | 08:13 PM
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What engine management are you running? You might have the calibrate the throttle min/max voltage, at least you do on the UTEC. But I didn't have to change the stock settings.
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Old May 13, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyC
What engine management are you running? You might have the calibrate the throttle min/max voltage, at least you do on the UTEC. But I didn't have to change the stock settings.
I have no engine management just OBD2 diagnostics with a laptop ,
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Originally Posted by infinitialex
I have no engine management just OBD2 diagnostics with a laptop ,
Take you floor mat out....lol

Seriously, i had a customer who put in these new floor mats, and came back saying his car felt slow..Well the floor mat was causing us to only see 80% TPS..
Otherwise it is a throttle issue.
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Old May 14, 2008 | 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by infinitialex

Fuel System 1 Status Closed Loop: Using oxygen sensor(s) as feedback for fuel control. OL/CL CL OL/CL
Fuel System 2 Status Closed Loop: Using oxygen sensor(s) as feedback for fuel control. OL/CL CL OL/CL
Calculated Load Value 27.45 % 27.45 %
Engine Coolant Temperature 199.4 deg F 93 deg C
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) -0.78125 % -0.78125 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 3.90625 % 3.90625 %
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) -3.125 % -3.125 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 0 % 0 %
Engine RPM 700 rpm 700 rpm
Vehicle Speed Sensor 0 mph 0 km/h
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder 7 deg 7 deg
Intake Air Temperature 91.4 deg F 33 deg C
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor 0.619061267 lb/min 4.68 g/s
Absolute Throttle Position 0.784313725 % 0.784313725 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0.63 V 0.63 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 1) -2.34375 % -2.34375 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2) 0.18 V 0.18 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0.85 V 0.85 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 1) -2.34375 % -2.34375 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2) 0.26 V 0.26 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Fuel System 1 Status Closed Loop: Using oxygen sensor(s) as feedback for fuel control. OL/CL CL OL/CL
Fuel System 2 Status Closed Loop: Using oxygen sensor(s) as feedback for fuel control. OL/CL CL OL/CL
Calculated Load Value 26.27 % 26.27 %
Engine Coolant Temperature 201.2 deg F 94 deg C
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 12.5 % 12.5 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) -0.78125 % -0.78125 %
Engine RPM 2850 rpm 2850 rpm
Vehicle Speed Sensor 16.25 mph 26 km/h
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder 25 deg 25 deg
Intake Air Temperature 82.4 deg F 28 deg C
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor 18.85623581 lb/min 142.55 g/s
Absolute Throttle Position 81.56862745 % 81.56862745 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0.89 V 0.89 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2) 0.9 V 0.9 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0.86 V 0.86 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2) 0.9 V 0.9 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Fuel System 1 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Fuel System 2 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Calculated Load Value 88.24 % 88.24 %
Engine Coolant Temperature 197.6 deg F 92 deg C
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) -0.78125 % -0.78125 %
Engine RPM 6412.5 rpm 6412.5 rpm
Vehicle Speed Sensor 61.25 mph 98 km/h
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder 21 deg 21 deg
Intake Air Temperature 66.2 deg F 19 deg C
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor 18.70014771 lb/min 141.37 g/s
Absolute Throttle Position 81.56862745 % 81.56862745 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0.82 V 0.82 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2) 0.87 V 0.87 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0.79 V 0.79 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2) 0.86 V 0.86 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Fuel System 1 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Fuel System 2 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Calculated Load Value 89.41 % 89.41 %
Engine Coolant Temperature 201.2 deg F 94 deg C
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) -0.78125 % -0.78125 %
Engine RPM 5912.5 rpm 5912.5 rpm
Vehicle Speed Sensor 87.5 mph 140 km/h
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder 21 deg 21 deg
Intake Air Temperature 62.6 deg F 17 deg C
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor 23.15130404 lb/min 175.02 g/s
Absolute Throttle Position 81.17647059 % 81.17647059 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0.82 V 0.82 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2) 0.85 V 0.85 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0.77 V 0.77 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2) 0.85 V 0.85 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Fuel System 1 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Fuel System 2 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Calculated Load Value 89.41 % 89.41 %
Engine Coolant Temperature 203 deg F 95 deg C
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) -0.78125 % -0.78125 %
Engine RPM 3975 rpm 3975 rpm
Vehicle Speed Sensor 87.5 mph 140 km/h
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder 15 deg 15 deg
Intake Air Temperature 66.2 deg F 19 deg C
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor 1.113781168 lb/min 8.42 g/s
Absolute Throttle Position 0.784313725 % 0.784313725 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0.05 V 0.05 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2) 0.34 V 0.34 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0.04 V 0.04 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 3.125 % 3.125 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2) 0.09 V 0.09 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Fuel System 1 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Fuel System 2 Status OL-Drive: Open loop due to driving conditions. (e.g. power enrichment deceleration enleanment) OL/CL OL-Drive
Calculated Load Value 9.8 % 9.8 %
Engine Coolant Temperature 203 deg F 95 deg C
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1) 3.125 % 3.125 %
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 0 % 0 %
Long Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2) 1.5625 % 1.5625 %
Engine RPM 1825 rpm 1825 rpm
Vehicle Speed Sensor 55 mph 88 km/h
Ignition Timing Advance for #1 Cylinder 10 deg 10 deg
Intake Air Temperature 71.6 deg F 22 deg C
Air Flow Rate from Mass Air Flow Sensor 0.57276395 lb/min 4.33 g/s
Absolute Throttle Position 0.784313725 % 0.784313725 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0 V 0 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2) 0 V 0 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 1 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0 V 0 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 0 % 0 %
Oxygen Sensor Output Voltage (Bank 2 Sensor 2) 0.02 V 0.02 V
Short Term Fuel Trim (Bank 2 Sensor 2) NOT USED % NOT USED %
Please tell me you did not sit there and type all of this information...
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Old May 14, 2008 | 10:26 AM
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ever heard of copy and paste?
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Originally Posted by Julian@MRC
Take you floor mat out....lol

Seriously, i had a customer who put in these new floor mats, and came back saying his car felt slow..Well the floor mat was causing us to only see 80% TPS..
Otherwise it is a throttle issue.
umm,,,,it would have to be a thick *** floor mat
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Old May 14, 2008 | 10:52 AM
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What r u using to log?
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Old May 14, 2008 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnylaw
What r u using to log?
elm 327 obd2 with pro scan software
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