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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 09:46 AM
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anyone ever had any luck with one? my buddy knows them pretty well and he is trying to talk me into getting one he claims he can pick up some power for me with it. he is like my best friend and so i mean i trust him just wondering what other people think on here
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 10:15 AM
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Do a search. SAFC just tries to trick the ECU into doing things, it doesn't really control anything. That sorta works on ECUs that don't have logic control and don't adjust themselves. On Nissan ECUs 2003 and newer the logic capabilities mean that the ECU is in a constant state of flux and will learn it's way around things, you'd have to readjust the SAFC constantly and it still wouldn't do what a basic flash would do on these cars.

Not to mention the price of the SAFC plus the time spent wiring it in, soldering all the connections, mounting it correctly so it doesn't look like ***. $700 will get you a complete tune for your car, eTune updates, and data logging and diagnostic or $400 gets you a basic flash. In a few weeks $900 will get you a completely tunable system with data logging and diagnostic features.


http://www.alamomotorsports.com/apexi/safc.html#safcneo

$370 for something that tries to trick the ECU with adjustments to the MAF, yeah it has displays but it's not actually changing the tune of the car, just changing how the ECU sees a sensor.

It was a good choice on older cars that didn't have ECUs that adjusted themselves and when stand alone and piggy back systems were well over $1500 + tuning, and all you needed was a little more fuel. it really doesn't apply to current generation cars nor does it stand up well to current tuning solutions.

We're not even the only company making a tuning solution that would work far better than the SAFC for a price that makes the SAFC just flat not worth it.
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 10:19 AM
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uprev, i would like to talk to you about a tune for my car pm me if you can thanks
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uprev, i would like to talk to you about a tune for my car pm me if you can thanks

Pm's turned off, but I think you just called? Sounds like a smart setup, most people don't pay enough attention to safety when it comes to nitrous, having the pressure gauge up front is excellent. Also the pressure shut off valve is good, though it will really **** you off if you line up with someone and it shuts your nitrous down, don't ask how I know this.
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yeah i just talked to you and looking on your web site i cant figure out which one to order. if i get the 400.00 mail in do i simply drive down there and let you guys dyno tune it? i would like an total amount for everything thanks
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Originally Posted by silver350tn
yeah i just talked to you and looking on your web site i cant figure out which one to order. if i get the 400.00 mail in do i simply drive down there and let you guys dyno tune it? i would like an total amount for everything thanks

New website should be up today and should hopefully answer some questions.

$400 is the Osiris Flash Service. Thats where you send in your ECU and we just do a basic flash.

$700 is the Osiris Standard system. Includes the Cipher cable, Osiris, and 3 free eTunes. Allowing us to send you out the product so you can flash the ECU and send back log files so we can adjust the flash to your car a little better.

Either one works if you're coming to us for a full dyno tune, the difference between them would be the Cipher cable and the included eTunes. Being that you're normally so far away, having the eTunes is nice if you change any hard parts (ie exhaust/headers etc) so you don't have to come all the way back for an adjustment. Plus Cipher allows you to keep tabs on everything while you're at the track, not a good idea to run if you start showing lean AFRs for some reason.
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