Will 370z have that "black box"?
10-03-2008, 06:30 AM
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Incorrect. Most current Nissans since as early as 2004 have the EDR BlackBox. The GT-R has a revised version of the blackbox that records parameters all the time. The current blackbox in the current Nissans records parameters at the time of airbag deployment.
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10-03-2008, 07:49 AM
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New standards for automotive big brother take effect in 2012
"...Today, every 2009 Nissan sold in the United States is fitted with an EDR, and along with nearly every automaker selling EDR-equipped vehicles, Nissan records or will be able to record the 30 data points that the federal government will require of all EDR-equipped vehicles by 2012.
U.S. automakers remain at the forefront of EDR proliferation, which isn't surprising given that General Motors pioneered EDRs in race cars in the 1970s and '80s and installed the first rudimentary black-box recorders in passenger cars in its 2000-model-year vehicles. GM vehicles equipped with OnStar tap into onboard black boxes to diagnose operating systems. With the owner's permission, OnStar will use that data to notify the owner of pending service needs.
German makers tend to avoid EDRs, partly because strict German privacy laws limit the use of such recording devices and partly because the companies tend to view EDRs as having questionable value for customers.
"We have not viewed that feature as necessary or beneficial for the brand or our customers," explained Rob Moran, a spokesman for the U.S. arm of German automaker Mercedes-Benz.
Cost-conscious Korean companies such as Kia and Hyundai haven't installed EDRs, instead using sensors to deploy airbags but skipping the added cost and complexity of EDRs.
What's the state of the art? EDRs in today's cars begin recording data as early as five seconds before a crash, and they save information such as vehicle speed, throttle position, engine speed, brake action, whether stability control was on or off, steering input and whether antilock brakes worked. At the time of a crash and immediately after, other data are added, including change in vehicle velocity, seatbelt use, airbag status and how the airbags performed in the accident. Some data also are recorded for as long as five seconds after an initial crash, including secondary impacts and vehicle roll angle...."
According to above, it records as early as five seconds before a accident, the airbag is milliseconds (guessing) before the accident. What triggers the recording then? My guess is a culmination of data from the 30 monitored points, one being the airbag.
10-03-2008, 07:58 AM
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EVERY Nissan, meaning all models. NOW. The 350Z has had it since 2004 and most other Nissans. And thank you for agreeing with me on how the EDR works on current cars.
Autoweek, Black box on board
New standards for automotive big brother take effect in 2012
"...Today, every 2009 Nissan sold in the United States is fitted with an EDR, and along with nearly every automaker selling EDR-equipped vehicles, Nissan records or will be able to record the 30 data points that the federal government will require of all EDR-equipped vehicles by 2012.
U.S. automakers remain at the forefront of EDR proliferation, which isn't surprising given that General Motors pioneered EDRs in race cars in the 1970s and '80s and installed the first rudimentary black-box recorders in passenger cars in its 2000-model-year vehicles. GM vehicles equipped with OnStar tap into onboard black boxes to diagnose operating systems. With the owner's permission, OnStar will use that data to notify the owner of pending service needs.
German makers tend to avoid EDRs, partly because strict German privacy laws limit the use of such recording devices and partly because the companies tend to view EDRs as having questionable value for customers.
"We have not viewed that feature as necessary or beneficial for the brand or our customers," explained Rob Moran, a spokesman for the U.S. arm of German automaker Mercedes-Benz.
Cost-conscious Korean companies such as Kia and Hyundai haven't installed EDRs, instead using sensors to deploy airbags but skipping the added cost and complexity of EDRs.
What's the state of the art? EDRs in today's cars begin recording data as early as five seconds before a crash, and they save information such as vehicle speed, throttle position, engine speed, brake action, whether stability control was on or off, steering input and whether antilock brakes worked. At the time of a crash and immediately after, other data are added, including change in vehicle velocity, seatbelt use, airbag status and how the airbags performed in the accident. Some data also are recorded for as long as five seconds after an initial crash, including secondary impacts and vehicle roll angle...."
According to above, it records as early as five seconds before a accident, the airbag is milliseconds (guessing) before the accident. What triggers the recording then? My guess is a culmination of data from the 30 monitored points, one being the airbag.
New standards for automotive big brother take effect in 2012
"...Today, every 2009 Nissan sold in the United States is fitted with an EDR, and along with nearly every automaker selling EDR-equipped vehicles, Nissan records or will be able to record the 30 data points that the federal government will require of all EDR-equipped vehicles by 2012.
U.S. automakers remain at the forefront of EDR proliferation, which isn't surprising given that General Motors pioneered EDRs in race cars in the 1970s and '80s and installed the first rudimentary black-box recorders in passenger cars in its 2000-model-year vehicles. GM vehicles equipped with OnStar tap into onboard black boxes to diagnose operating systems. With the owner's permission, OnStar will use that data to notify the owner of pending service needs.
German makers tend to avoid EDRs, partly because strict German privacy laws limit the use of such recording devices and partly because the companies tend to view EDRs as having questionable value for customers.
"We have not viewed that feature as necessary or beneficial for the brand or our customers," explained Rob Moran, a spokesman for the U.S. arm of German automaker Mercedes-Benz.
Cost-conscious Korean companies such as Kia and Hyundai haven't installed EDRs, instead using sensors to deploy airbags but skipping the added cost and complexity of EDRs.
What's the state of the art? EDRs in today's cars begin recording data as early as five seconds before a crash, and they save information such as vehicle speed, throttle position, engine speed, brake action, whether stability control was on or off, steering input and whether antilock brakes worked. At the time of a crash and immediately after, other data are added, including change in vehicle velocity, seatbelt use, airbag status and how the airbags performed in the accident. Some data also are recorded for as long as five seconds after an initial crash, including secondary impacts and vehicle roll angle...."
According to above, it records as early as five seconds before a accident, the airbag is milliseconds (guessing) before the accident. What triggers the recording then? My guess is a culmination of data from the 30 monitored points, one being the airbag.
10-03-2008, 09:46 AM
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. I think you mistakenly took my original response as to answering his question about the GTR. I was correcting the statement about that ALL Nissans have EDR’s. I then questioned if your statement saying that the airbag solely triggers the recording is correct because of the article. Not that I’m saying you’re wrong, but it differs from Autoweek. Autoweek, Black box on board
New standards for automotive big brother take effect in 2012
"...Today, every 2009 Nissan sold in the United States is fitted with an EDR, and along with nearly every automaker selling EDR-equipped vehicles, Nissan records or will be able to record the 30 data points that the federal government will require of all EDR-equipped vehicles by 2012. ….
What's the state of the art? EDRs in today's cars begin recording data as early as five seconds before a crash, and they save information such as vehicle speed, throttle position, engine speed, brake action, whether stability control was on or off, steering input and whether antilock brakes worked. At the time of a crash and immediately after, other data are added, including change in vehicle velocity, seatbelt use, airbag status and how the airbags performed in the accident. Some data also are recorded for as long as five seconds after an initial crash, including secondary impacts and vehicle roll angle...."
According to above, it records as early as five seconds before a accident, the airbag is milliseconds (guessing) before the accident. What triggers the recording then? My guess is a culmination of data from the 30 monitored points, one being the airbag.
New standards for automotive big brother take effect in 2012
"...Today, every 2009 Nissan sold in the United States is fitted with an EDR, and along with nearly every automaker selling EDR-equipped vehicles, Nissan records or will be able to record the 30 data points that the federal government will require of all EDR-equipped vehicles by 2012. ….
What's the state of the art? EDRs in today's cars begin recording data as early as five seconds before a crash, and they save information such as vehicle speed, throttle position, engine speed, brake action, whether stability control was on or off, steering input and whether antilock brakes worked. At the time of a crash and immediately after, other data are added, including change in vehicle velocity, seatbelt use, airbag status and how the airbags performed in the accident. Some data also are recorded for as long as five seconds after an initial crash, including secondary impacts and vehicle roll angle...."
According to above, it records as early as five seconds before a accident, the airbag is milliseconds (guessing) before the accident. What triggers the recording then? My guess is a culmination of data from the 30 monitored points, one being the airbag.
10-03-2008, 09:51 AM
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I was never disagreeing with you. But if it allows you to have a better weekend. I think you mistakenly took my original response as to answering his question about the GTR. I was correcting the statement about that ALL Nissans have EDR’s. I then questioned if your statement saying that the airbag solely triggers the recording is correct because of the article. Not that I’m saying you’re wrong, but it differs from Autoweek.
. I think you mistakenly took my original response as to answering his question about the GTR. I was correcting the statement about that ALL Nissans have EDR’s. I then questioned if your statement saying that the airbag solely triggers the recording is correct because of the article. Not that I’m saying you’re wrong, but it differs from Autoweek.
10-03-2008, 09:55 AM
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You are right. There is a constant stream of data and when the buffer fills up, it deletes the information as it records the new information. If the bag deploys, it signals the program to save the previous and next five seconds. Simple. With the warranty issue, what they do is have a preset flag that gets set off when a parameter equals or exceeds a certain predetermined value. When you go in to get service, the system tattles on you.
10-03-2008, 02:09 PM
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You guys are getting mixed up in your details and names. All 2009 Nissans have an Event Data Recorder (EDR) that typically records based on an accident or near-accident event. The GTR comes with a second Vehicle Status Data Recorder (VSDR). The VSDR is the one that constantly monitors and records what's going on in the car - that's the one watching VDC and launch control, etc.
The OP is asking whether the 370Z will include a VSDR, it's a given that it will have an EDR.
The OP is asking whether the 370Z will include a VSDR, it's a given that it will have an EDR.
10-03-2008, 05:57 PM
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You guys are getting mixed up in your details and names. All 2009 Nissans have an Event Data Recorder (EDR) that typically records based on an accident or near-accident event. The GTR comes with a second Vehicle Status Data Recorder (VSDR). The VSDR is the one that constantly monitors and records what's going on in the car - that's the one watching VDC and launch control, etc.
The OP is asking whether the 370Z will include a VSDR, it's a given that it will have an EDR.
The OP is asking whether the 370Z will include a VSDR, it's a given that it will have an EDR.
correct! EDR's monitor (among other things) crash event data, while the VSDR is to monitor how the car is driven for warranty purposes. On Dodge diesel trucks we can look at how hard the engine was used (rpm range and torque output) and for how long. EX: it shows in minutes and seconds how long the engine was at 10%, 20%, 30% power output etc.... On the scan tool we use it to determine if the engine was abused to determine warranty status. Even though we have this ability, I personally have never seen this feature used to deny a warranty claim, but i am not saying it has never happened.
I have pretty much decided that I will not buy a new car past 2011.....but thats ok cause i love my Z!!
10-03-2008, 09:01 PM
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Negative. The law that goes into effect in '12 sets a standard set of guidelines for what an EDR must record. The law DOES NOT require automaker to install EDR's.
That's what I'm saying.
If you disable it, your airbags won't work.
You guys are getting mixed up in your details and names. All 2009 Nissans have an Event Data Recorder (EDR) that typically records based on an accident or near-accident event. The GTR comes with a second Vehicle Status Data Recorder (VSDR). The VSDR is the one that constantly monitors and records what's going on in the car - that's the one watching VDC and launch control, etc.
The OP is asking whether the 370Z will include a VSDR, it's a given that it will have an EDR.
The OP is asking whether the 370Z will include a VSDR, it's a given that it will have an EDR.
If you disable it, your airbags won't work.
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10-04-2008, 07:13 AM
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So if I were to get the Cobb AP which uses their shelf tuning but reset the factory settings before taking car back to dealer for a problem, The dealer would know everything that has been done to my car and how I drive it? Can someone please tell the actual limits of what Nissan has now and what they plan for the future? That Genesis just might be looking better all the time.
10-04-2008, 08:58 AM
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You guys are getting mixed up in your details and names. All 2009 Nissans have an Event Data Recorder (EDR) that typically records based on an accident or near-accident event. The GTR comes with a second Vehicle Status Data Recorder (VSDR). The VSDR is the one that constantly monitors and records what's going on in the car - that's the one watching VDC and launch control, etc.
The OP is asking whether the 370Z will include a VSDR, it's a given that it will have an EDR.
The OP is asking whether the 370Z will include a VSDR, it's a given that it will have an EDR.
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